Juggernaut or The Hulk?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"why is it that Hulk can't lift Thor's hammer, yet it is being argued that through pure strength Hulk will be able to overpower the protection given to Juggernaut by the gem of Cytorrak?"

I never said will, ever.

I said and stand by my theory that someone with limitless theoretical strength could become strong enough to smash through anything. Hulk didn't lift Thor's hammer. Maybe because he wasn't at a level which he could, maybe it had something to do with the magic over it and he wasn't at a level to breach the magic yet.

It can't be said. I'm not like Tough Guy who claims things WILL happen. I can only (and have) state why I believe Hulk could win. I cannot concrete that until they have a fight with no loop holes, technicality wins or such. Until there's a straight up one on one, it's not gonna be settled.

-AC

Now, that's an answer I can respect and understand.

unlimited strength (Hulk) should be able to stop an unstoppable force (Juggernaut)

guys who says hulk cant eventualy get strong enough to lift thors hammer , like i say i know as of yet he hasnt hurt juggie, or lifted thors hammer but ( and ac im not saying ''will'', im just laying our perfectly rational options) whos to say he cant reach the level of power/strength required to do either of these feats . thats what hulk is about .

Hulk don't need no stupid hammer...he HUlk he could use his fist to hammer stuff.

it wasn't necessarily a matter of actually using the hammer so much as having the physical strength to overcome the enchantment on the hammer.

Much like overcoming the enchantment on Juggernaut given to him by Cytorrak.

Though it was quickly shot down without a whole lot of proof.....it was my attempt to nullify the arguement.

I see...the detate wages on.

Originally posted by savagerampage
Actually his marvel.com bio says his only 2 vunerabilities are magic of sufficient strength, and psi- engery, so he is invunerable to everything, minus those 2 things.

And in actual comic book fights he has been physically hurt on numerous occasions.

Why people even quote that bio is beyond me. I think that's the one that says The Human Torch one notch below Spiderman in terms of fighting ability.

And we KNOW that's true...right?

The bio is inaccurate. Period.

characters abilities are constantly changing...at one point the bio could have be correct.

marvel.com also rates Wolverine's strength at the same level as Spiderman's strength.

IMO, not a very credible source...even though it's from Marvel. Comics don't agree with what's on that site.

Will say it again: people confuse invulnerability with immunity.

Superman is "invulnerable." Rogue is "invulnerable." Juggernaut is "invulnerable."

Rogue almost passed out after soaking up The Viper's ray gun in Uncanny #172. Superman has bled, been killed, had his ribs broken. Juggernaut...LoL.

Being "invulnerable" simply means that one is able to absorb an inordinate amount of punishment BEFORE being injured.

This "bio" sums it up:

"The Juggernaut is not a mutant; his powers are mystical in origin and have made him both immensely strong and almost completely impervious to any form of forceful penetration. If he gains enough speed and momentum he is literally unstoppable."

Notice it says "ALMOST completely impervious?"

*shrug*

Originally posted by Never
Will say it again: people confuse invulnerability with immunity.

Superman is "invulnerable." Rogue is "invulnerable." Juggernaut is "invulnerable."

Rogue almost passed out after soaking up The Viper's ray gun in Uncanny #172. Superman has bled, been killed, had his ribs broken. Juggernaut...LoL.

Being "invulnerable" simply means that one is able to absorb an inordinate amount of punishment BEFORE being injured.

This "bio" sums it up:

"The Juggernaut is not a mutant; his powers are mystical in origin and have made him both immensely strong and almost completely impervious to any form of forceful penetration. If he gains enough speed and momentum he is literally unstoppable."

Notice it says "ALMOST completely impervious?"

*shrug*

Good job "Never" invulnerable isn't the same has being unbeatable.

by the same token, limitless strength doesn't mean unbeatable either.

maybe not ...but unlimited strength should give someone a definite edge right?

Only if the person possessing infinite strength had the same or better fighting abilities....or speed.

Which I believe Hulk has...

yeah...Hulk is an experienced fighter...Juggy has had some training...this doesn't give the Hulk a clear victory...but it damn well do tip the battle in the Hulk's favor.

Hulk is a character with the the power to beat any one(not high cosmic) but will he be able to reach that level of power before being K.O. peepz that are much faster , with more power usally take him down so his power never gets to reach at higher level of power.

against Jugs i whould think he will be able to Keep fighting. Then he whould reach enough power to throw Jug around the Globe.

hulk is the only 1 of the 2 to have the ability to be as powerful as he needs to be to do the job. remember juggie only has access to a portion of cyttoraks magic. hulk is a bruiser as is juggie, however hulk is stronger and faster. also hulks strength will just escalte till he gets the job done, unless ( as has happened in previous fights) there is an interuption

Interuption....such as Tough Guy?

All I can say again is, for those who don't understand how powerful Cyttorak is, check out Dr. Strange: Sorcerer Supreme #49, and watch him strongarm other deities. Yeah, Cyttorak's power isn't unlimited (and no one's EVER said that), but it still doesn't change the fact that he's powerful.

Ehh, both Hulk and Namor shattered the allegedly indestructible Crimson Bands of Cytorrak.

But yeah, he's powerful enough.