Originally posted by Alpha CentauriIt is. Whoever it is is saying a notably more powerful version of Hulk, War, with power nullifying properties failed to kill Juggernaut.
This isn't to do with Hulk Vs Juggernaut.Is it?
Originally posted by Cosmic CubeNot really.
Normal Juggernaut exercises his "full potential," permenantly.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
War Hulk Vs Juggernaut.We've established that the fight isn't a good way to judge how the two would go at in regularly.
-AC
And why not because you dont want to judge it that way? Maybe because hulk needed power that was given to him to stop juggernaut?
This is fact Hulk's strength will never be enough to "stop" juggernauts magical forward progress. It has nothing to do with Juggernaut's strength its his magic that makes him an unstoppable engine of destruction.
The man doesnt need to eat, breath, or become exhausted. Hulk does get tired, his body does need to sleep and eat. Hulks healing factor does stop the most of the lactic acid and the toxins that make you tired but he still becomes tired.
This is my opinion if juggernaut doesnt play around and goes and gets the job done, the fight will be short. If he lets hulk get stronger and stronger then juggernaut will have more fun and then finally K.O him.
I just learned this
In one of Peter David's Captain Marvel stories Marvel is getting throttled by the Savage Hulk. Since Rick Jones knows the Hulk better than anyone,while Marvel is down he asks Rick Jones for advice against him. Rick Jones says the best way to fight Hulk is to hire the Juggernaut.
I thought that was kind of cool 😉
Originally posted by talon00x
And why not because you dont want to judge it that way? Maybe because hulk needed power that was given to him to stop juggernaut?This is fact Hulk's strength will never be enough to "stop" juggernauts magical forward progress. It has nothing to do with Juggernaut's strength its his magic that makes him an unstoppable engine of destruction.
The man doesnt need to eat, breath, or become exhausted. Hulk does get tired, his body does need to sleep and eat. Hulks healing factor does stop the most of the lactic acid and the toxins that make you tired but he still becomes tired.
This is my opinion if juggernaut doesnt play around and goes and gets the job done, the fight will be short. If he lets hulk get stronger and stronger then juggernaut will have more fun and then finally K.O him.
I'm helping Juggernaut out by saying don't involve War.
It's not fact because I can deny it, fact.
Your opinion isn't my opinion is it? You think the fight will be short because you believe Juggernaut is capable of beating a raging Hulk, who is trying to beat HIM, that quickly. Which is needless to say, a bit silly.
Why are you talking about lactic acid? He isn't gonna stop fighting Juggernaut because of lactic acid.
-AC
guys by the time hulk is that tired he would have some awesome level of strength , possibly never seen level of strength, cyttoraks spell would bu useless and juggie would be a drinking vessel. although juggie ( due to his durability) is a worthy nemesis to hulk, ( though i prefer abomination), hulk is perfect as a brawler as he has no limit to his power, or healing, therefore takes this match.
wynndar, good to see u back i find your knowledge refreshing
Originally posted by long pig
Apoc also says "so its true, the celestials power negates everyones powers BUT mine." reffering to how war pushed Jugs back.
this shows you....war needed the celestials power to stop jugs from moving forward.....when it takes that much to make a guy not move forward...its a big deal.
this is why i said....hulk cant nullify juggs power with strength alone.
okay, so he cant stop the Juggernaut from moving foward!
This doesnt make Juggernaut the better fighter or the overall winner!
I think stopping Juggernaut from moving foward doesnt prove much in my opinion with the exception that may add that he is stronger than hulk. Well the Hulks does get stronger.
Originally posted by x_danny_x
okay, so he cant stop the Juggernaut from moving foward!This doesnt make Juggernaut the better fighter or the overall winner!
I think stopping Juggernaut from moving foward doesnt prove much in my opinion with the exception that may add that he is stronger than hulk. Well the Hulks does get stronger.
I may have not said it very clear but what i meant by that was:
Apoc knew hulk couldnt nullify juggs powers on his own i.e kill him, K.O him, stop him from moving forward or hurt him...those are jugs magically given powers...therefore apoc gave hulk Celestial(celestials being EXTREMELY powerful magic/cosmic gods basically) made amor and pitted Hulk against Jugs just to see how powerful Hulk would be with his amor...and Apoc found out that with the amor Hulk could overcome some of jugs powers(pushed him back).
he is stronger than hulk. Well the Hulks does get stronger.
The comics show (pre Onslaught..you can say im not facing facts...but jugs was used as a plot device during the OS so i dont refer to it) the only forces capable of nulling Jugs powers are gods, magical beings and cosmic beings...none of these are hulk.
This doesnt make Juggernaut the better fighter or the overall winner!
Hulk relies totally on his brute strength and size to fight, not style or substance...size and strength have no impact on juggernaut, i also believe jugs to be the better fighter but thats just my thought.
whoa, if the guy cant be hurt, or moved or touched he would be a really shitty character , no offence. hulk as a character was created to be able to mess up anyone really if hes pissed enough, that includes juggie. hulk ( if used correctly) in a story really only has to find the right level of anger to get the job done. he is able to heal very quickly as can juggie, yet is far superior with regards to strength potential to juggie and most others. he represents brute force and ignorance only with limitless reserves, because of this i cant see how cyttoraks spell would protect juggie in the end, if hulk is allowed to get as strong as is required by whoever writes the story ( which he has the ability to do) then juggie is gonna get pummelled.
Originally posted by long pig
Juggernaught being knocked down doesnt sway my opinion at all.
that was during the onslaught saga as well 404 right?
anyways, im pretty set on this.
Hulk cant overpower the words of a god, Cyttorak says jugs is unstoppable so to any mortal....he is.
on another slightly different topic...while searching thru my comics i saw juggernaught fighting with Cyttorak in a Dr.Strange comic...Cytt looked like a regular guy wearing a robe....THEN during the onslaught Saga...he faught Cytt again...but acted like he didnt even know who the guy was...also...Cyttorak looked like juggs and juggs said "wow he looks like me" and his guide said "well your appearence is based after our god"...which in Dr Strange...Cyttorak didnt look like jugs at all....hmm.....ahh the many plot holes of the O.S
Hulk 404 was NOT during the Onslaught saga, it came out in 1993. Juggernaut wasn't knocked down, he was knocked out. Read the issue. Thor's a god. Hulk kicks his ass every other day. Cyttorak isn't a god. He's a powerful outer-dimensional entity. Hulk has stopped Juggernaut before, so have others. No, Juggernaut was not choking Hulk. He had Hulk in a headlock, and he was punching him in the head. Hulk didn't "almost die," the issue doesn't even vaguely point towards such a conclusion.
Juggernaut may not be able to be "injured", but he can feel pain, and he can certainly be knocked unconcious. This is evident.
A deathmatch is pointless. It would never end.
The Incredible Hulk #404: The Hulk slaps his hands together and creates a shock wave that blows the Avengers back. The Juggernaut is just about to go into them more when the Red Skull radios him and tells him to give the Avengers an option to surrender and leave. The Juggernaut, against his better judgement, gives the Avengers the option but when they refuse, the Juggernaut orders the Hulk on them. The Hulk, in his mind, sees the Juggernaut as his father and the Avengers as different ages of Bruce Banner. They continue to fight the Avengers as a team until the Juggernaut tells the Hulk he is dong a great job. That praise jolts the Hulk's mind for a second. Then some of the remaining Avengers attack again and knock the Hulk down for a second. The Juggernaut gives his hand out to the Hulk and says that nothing can stop them if they stick together. The Hulk, his mind going back to when his father killed his mother, starts to crack a little bit. The Juggernaut just grabs the Hulk and throws him towards the Avengers. The Hulk, about to kill Crystal, hears the Juggernaut saying that he is the best. The Hulk, who is still seeing the Juggernaut as his father, finally cracks. The Hulk says that all those years, all he wanted was a little praise but all he gave was anger and being browbeat and now after all that time, he decides to give him praise. He punches the Juggernaut and hits his helmet off. The Hulk slowly starts to come out of it and knows that the Juggernaut is not his father and hits him. He screams to get out of his head. Mentallo tries to regain control but the Hulk rejects it and causes a massive psychic backlash that knocks everybody out, including the Juggernaut. The Avengers take the Juggernaut into custody.
Read the second last sentence.