Juggernaut or The Hulk?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
If I am immune to physical damage, you will not be able to knock the wind out of me, much less affect me at all. Damn, you guys are retarded.

If I cannot be hurt by physical attacks and I choke on a cracklin' tater, somebody can still Heimlich me to free the tater from my lungs. I don't have to have a body like a man-statue made of marble or something.

Even if I was completely immune to taking damage to my person, air could still be forced out of my lungs because last time I checked, breathing out isn't damage.

Why is it that the arguement has to be made so that Hulk is allowed to get completely furious in order to rage up to a strength level strong enough to beat Juggernaut....and Juggernaut isn't allowed to do anything but be himself?

If Hulk gets to reach his full potential, why isn't Juggernaut's "full potential" usable in an arguement?

Ohhhhh yah, because that's the only way Hulk will be able to win.

hmmmm..good points Linkie old chum matrixness

Originally posted by Tough Guy
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* tron that site is no more than i could knock up to say hulk should be written doing this or that.

WHY THE HELL DO YOU KEEP CALLING ME TRON!!!!!!!!!!!

In eighth day he was punching holes through other dimensions, dimensions.

I dont understand why air cant be knocked out of you when you are invulnerable.

I never ment it as a vs galactus thing so quit making it out to be. And yes you could survive a punch from galactus. No telling where in the universe he would end up but he would survive it.

Please explain: In Hulk #404, why, (if he is so impervious to damage,) is Juggernaut lying on the floor in defeat, long before the psychic backlash hits?

Originally posted by Linkalicious
Why is it that the arguement has to be made so that Hulk is allowed to get completely furious in order to rage up to a strength level strong enough to beat Juggernaut....and Juggernaut isn't allowed to do anything but be himself?

If Hulk gets to reach his full potential, why isn't Juggernaut's "full potential" usable in an arguement?

Ohhhhh yah, because that's the only way Hulk will be able to win.

There's no comparison.

Normal Juggernaut exercises his "full potential," permenantly. Normal Hulk doesn't have a "full potential," but it is a commonly known fact that the longer Hulk is in a battle the stronger he will become. It is one of his fundamental abilities. If Juggernaut has a means of augmenting his abilities during a fight (which he obviously does not,) he is more than welcome to use it. I, nor anyone else has put any stipulations on Juggernaut's abilities.

This is Normal Hulk versus Normal Juggernaut.

Normally, Hulk's strength and durability increase as he fights on.

Normally, Juggernaut's strength and durability are static.

Juggernaut choked out the hulk in the incredible hulk #402 and almost killed the hulk only wearing his street clothes.http://www.geocities.com/pic_housing2/Hulk_KO1.txt
you say hulk doesnt need to breathe then explain him getting choked out. obviously he does need to breath air, cause if he didnt he wouldnt have been choked out. Hulk is not stronger then juggernaut starting off at base strength. Juggernauts strength supasses more then just normal 100 tons. What issue has the hulk ever been reduced to a skeleton? i really dont recall that.

Hulk has lost to deadpool, has been knocked out by doc ock! if you want to compare them to nimrod, nimrod would mop the floor with those two. Galactus would cream juggernaut, so would the silver surfer, that is not even an argument and i never once said he would even stand a chance.

I love the hulk, and i always said he would win any conventinal fight with juggernaut. but in a death match he would eventually lose.
Peter David the hulk writer said hulk cant cause him any damage. Juggernaut can feel pain, i remember shatterstar tossing his sword right into his eyes and him freaking out over it. but he healed in 2 seconds.

Point is juggernaut has never been completely laid out, sure hes felt pain before, but it hardly ever harms him. Im sure hulk would pound on him and most certainly would feel it. but it wouldnt lay him out. And yes war hulk kicked his ass. but it didnt stop him, plus war hulk has celestial energy which made him more powerful. bringing up war hulk in this argument is like bringing up the 8th day juggernaut, and war hulk wouldnt even have a chance.

Look up marvel.com http://marvel.com/universe/index.htm scroll the whole page down, and it says invunerability. Juggernaut will be able to feel what the hulk will throw at him, but it still wont be able to cause him any damage. Even the hulks writer said it. so who are we to argue with peter david.

The Hulk can lift much more than 100 tons as well. Hulk has "the strength of a thousand armies" as his base strength. The same cannot be said of Juggernaut. As I have continuously stated, The Professor Hulk is not as durable, regenerative, or as strong as the Savage Hulk. Hulk does need to breath, but he can hold his breath for a incalcuable length of time. How do you think he fights Namor underwater? Juggernaut isn't choking Hulk, he is pounding him into submission. Doc Ock had class 100 adamantium tentacles when he knocked out Professor Hulk. Later, Joe Fixit Hulk knocked him out with a pluck.

Hulk has knocked out Juggernaut using pure physical force. If you have the issue Hulk 404. read it carefully. Juggernaut is completely laid out on the floor long before the backlash hits.

In a deathmatch, neither would win or lose. Neither can die, and Hulk regenerates even faster than Juggernaut does. Yes, Hulk was reduced to a skeleton in Hulk 260, I believe.

You'll notice that Rouge also has "invulnerability." Invulnerability is not the same as imperviousness to damage.

Peter David has said no such thing.

Here's Hulk as a skeleton.

Hulk does not regenrate faster then the juggernaut they are pretty much even in regeration. juggernaut was laid out on the floor i know ur correct, but he woulda got up in a couple of seconds, then the backlash hits. i actually would love to see a quote from what peter david said. maybe talon can find it. which person who is over class 100 strength that doesnt have a strength of a 1000 armies.

I really dont care anymore. both are my favourite characters both are tied in wins over each other. both are extremely powerful, hulk has the edge in strength,juggernaut durability, I think hulk would win in ur average slugfest, but juggernaut in another type of match.

both characters have gotten beatings by some shitty characters. hopefully marvel will make us all happy and have the 2 fight each other
in a 2 issue special of mass destruction, and then i really dont care who wins, cause i would be happy in seeing tons of property damage done.

although i juggernaut still had a moral victory over the hulk, and thats cause hulks cousin she hulk has no morals. juggernaut has slammed the hulks cousin. maybe the hulk can slam juggs relative as well

how is that hulk a skeleton? i see hulk in the background there infront of the skeleton?

That's Maestro.

who is maestro? the skeleton. Maestro is a lil different from the normal hulk. we are talking the normal hulk not the maestro

Maestro is the skeleton. He's the Hulk from the future, same power level. I'll show you more.

I know hes Hulk from the future, but doesnt he have abilities that surpass the hulk in everything? more intelligence,fighting skills etc?
Even still he is not our hulk, so you cant say he is the same. he is from another timeline. so that is ruled out, unless it happens to our current hulk the skeleton regeneration thing has yet to be seen.

I can't find a pic, but after Iron Man showered Hulk in high frequency gamma radiation, he exploded into gamma charged molecules. Hulk regenerated from that.

What issue was that 1? he just blew up into atoms? was this our current hulk?

Juggernaught being knocked down doesnt sway my opinion at all.
that was during the onslaught saga as well 404 right?
anyways, im pretty set on this.
Hulk cant overpower the words of a god, Cyttorak says jugs is unstoppable so to any mortal....he is.
on another slightly different topic...while searching thru my comics i saw juggernaught fighting with Cyttorak in a Dr.Strange comic...Cytt looked like a regular guy wearing a robe....THEN during the onslaught Saga...he faught Cytt again...but acted like he didnt even know who the guy was...also...Cyttorak looked like juggs and juggs said "wow he looks like me" and his guide said "well your appearence is based after our god"...which in Dr Strange...Cyttorak didnt look like jugs at all....hmm.....ahh the many plot holes of the O.S

Originally posted by long pig
Juggernaught being knocked down doesnt sway my opinion at all.
that was during the onslaught saga as well 404 right?
anyways, im pretty set on this.
Hulk cant overpower the words of a god, Cyttorak says jugs is unstoppable so to any mortal....he is.
on another slightly different topic...while searching thru my comics i saw juggernaught fighting with Cyttorak in a Dr.Strange comic...Cytt looked like a regular guy wearing a robe....THEN during the onslaught Saga...he faught Cytt again...but acted like he didnt even know who the guy was...also...Cyttorak looked like juggs and juggs said "wow he looks like me" and his guide said "well your appearence is based after our god"...which in Dr Strange...Cyttorak didnt look like jugs at all....hmm.....ahh the many plot holes of the O.S

Yeah they have screwed juggernaut time after time after time. Why do you say juggernaut doesnt have the strength of a thousand armies? Can you prove this? He is the exemplar of physical power PHYSICAL meaning anything physical cannot hurt him. Unless it is magical or psychic. Shatterstars sword is magical why it hurt him.

When hulk hit juggernaut in 404 (still dont know why you guys dont get this) it lifted him off the ground as most punches from hulk would do. Hulk was on his team and then suppenly turned on juggernaut surprising him and hitting him in the stomach, causing the ufffff noise. If you look he is getting back to his feet when the backlash hits.

Juggernaut has never done some of the feats that hulk has done, but that doesnt mean he cant do them. Like it is said he strength is unknown we dont know if hes strength stopps at 100 tons (which it doesnt) or it could be 150,000 more tons we dont know.

This is what we do know

Hulk can be knocked out juggernaut cant
Juggernaut has demenstrated that he has the strength to knock out hulk
Hulk has never beaten juggernaut on his own power
Hulk is green -_-
Juggernaut is unstoppble once in motion (this doesnt mean he cant be knocked out down any one that can lift over 2 tons can knock him down)
Hulk has a hard time with thing, juggernaut knocked out thing in 3 hits
everything physical must yeild to juggernauts power (being the exemplar of physical strength)
Hulk has bent second adamantium (which isnt true adamantium)
Hulk has the potential for unlimited strength (although i dont see how someone can have unlimited rage, all the emotion i think would make him go insane)

Ill try and find the exact quote but yes he did say that, Peter David hulks writer said juggernaut cannot be hurt phycially. deal wit it.

dev

Some good points there.