thanks for that thorough explanation for the *ufff* noise...Im still going to interpret that it hurt Jugs and that his "invulnerability" is only marginally higher than other guys who appear to be invulnerable. Saying he cant be hurt by anything physical is very arguable...with the kind of people who run around that universe in phyical form...i can name dozens of physical beings who r more powerful than Cytorrak who roam around the MU. So Jugs power can only be equal to or less than Cytorrak...
Listen to this guys he is still human, he wasnt born the juggernaut he spent most of his life under pain. Its human to make a noise when you get hit no? Like the pillow fight thing. remember just because he cant feel pain doesnt mean he cant feel.
His eyes are still sensitive to light (why the burnning thing night crawler threw in his face hurt). If it was the fire itself then the hot liquid metal deadpool dumped on him would of hurt, or the gas truck spiderman ran into him. The godforce would of hurt him also.
Speaking of which i make my next statement if the godforce did not hurt juggernaut why would a sucker punch to the stomach quote unquote knock him out????????????
He still has a human equilibrium so he gets dizzy and he has human organs he still gets nauseous but he doesnt get sick (you know like throwing up sick) Like in a deadpool comic i have, he drinks tomato juice to keep his stomach in check while he flys (then again it could still be his human instincts or it may just be mental that he thinks he will get sick while flying). So hulk knocking air out of his lungs to make a noise is no big deal, and i wouldnt call it a win.
A win to me is being knocked out or being killed and hulk has never done any of those things to juggernaut. Even hooked on celistial power he couldnt keep him down.
He can distinguish cold from hot but it doesnt affect him. Yet his skin is impenetrable and his bones are unbreakable.
And i think the interview with peter david was either in the back of that comic or on his website. Ill keep looking
u r arguing the same stuff we have been arguing on here for months.
-the peter david comment is posted somewhere on here and he calls Juggernauts power unlimited i believe...i think he was clearly generalizing or exagerating his power though...Hulk was not "hooked" on celestial power when he beat Jugs as War, he was simply drawing power from both dimensions...that can be interpreted many ways, i interpret that since Hulk's power is extradimensional, he was simply twice as powerful as usual. And he dominated Juggernaut as War, utterly...it was Jugs and Creel vs War..not Jugs vs War...War would have beheaded and killed Jugs IMO if Creel never intervened.
Point is he was twice as powerful, and still didnt get the job done.
If thats ur case that absorbing man came to save the day. look at the first juggernaut hulk fight, the x-man had to interfer and wipe juggernauts mind. and he wasnt super juggernaut, he was normal juggernaut, and it was normal hulk. bottomline the job wasnt done.
Originally posted by Wynndar
IMO they saved Jugs...cuz he was about to get his ass kicked
And your calling him bias hmmmmmmm
Point is this is all debateable but i still have to lean towards juggernaut being he is a magical being endowed with invunerbility and supernatural strength.
War cutting juggernauts head off is debatable, I dont know what kind of power celestial power is, but it was enough to halt juggernauts forward progress. I dont think its enough to remove a body part or cut him for that matter. Even if it did cut him his head would more than likely regenerate.
Originally posted by Wynndar
u r arguing the same stuff we have been arguing on here for months.
-the peter david comment is posted somewhere on here and he calls Juggernauts power unlimited i believe...i think he was clearly generalizing or exagerating his power though...Hulk was not "hooked" on celestial power when he beat Jugs as War, he was simply drawing power from both dimensions...that can be interpreted many ways, i interpret that since Hulk's power is extradimensional, he was simply twice as powerful as usual. And he dominated Juggernaut as War, utterly...it was Jugs and Creel vs War..not Jugs vs War...War would have beheaded and killed Jugs IMO if Creel never intervened.
Not hooked on celestial power?????? Then what do you call it, what kind of technology do you think apocalypse gave him? Sure as hell wasnt made of plastic. I guess the green glow was Hulk's own power also?
Apocalypse states that of all of the x-men's non mutant foes juggernaut was the most worthy of celestial might, on more time hes was the most worthy of celestial might. CELESTIAL MIGHT.
Apoc also says "so its true, the celestials power negates everyones powers BUT mine." reffering to how war pushed Jugs back.
this shows you....war needed the celestials power to stop jugs from moving forward.....when it takes that much to make a guy not move forward...its a big deal.
this is why i said....hulk cant nullify juggs power with strength alone.