Juggernaut or The Hulk?

Once again...you Jugg head fanboys have neglected to show the entire story regarding 404.....the page right before the one talon posted...shows jugghead on his knees, keeled over..before the backlash even hit.....stop trying to mislead people...and face the facts...Jugghead can be hurt...he isn't unstoppable...and it's very probable...that someone of sufficient physical strength can knock his arse the fudge out...its not that hard of a concept to accept..and it does not make Jugghead any less of a character...

Originally posted by Onidragon
Yea definitly all about The Hulk. Check it Marvel Universe Onslaught series/Uncanny Xmen 330-338 get some knowledge...educate yourself. ...quote too long...That wasnt even necessary of me cause others of cited direct conflicts, but you made me do it. Silence of the UNINFORMED. Consider yourselves schooled.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
Once again...you Jugg head fanboys have neglected to show the entire story regarding 404.....the page right before the one talon posted...shows jugghead on his knees, keeled over..before the backlash even hit.....stop trying to mislead people...and face the facts...Jugghead can be hurt...he isn't unstoppable...and it's very probable...that someone of sufficient physical strength can knock his arse the fudge out...its not that hard of a concept to accept..and it does not make Jugghead any less of a character...

Well at least the "impervious to pain" is finally at a rest. Now what's everyone's standing on "impervious to physical damage?" I say incrediby high tolerance, not invunerability.

Impervious to any pain hulk could give.
Probably incredibly high impervious to damage, higher than hulks strength could ever reach, due to what hulk is and what cyttorak is.
Jugs can feel physical pain but, youd have to be on another level than hulk to dish it out.
Thats what ive came to so far.

Well, the pics previously shown show Juggs in quite a bit of pain at Hulks hands so...

long pig do keep up old chap. firstly anything you may read on juggie states that sufficient physical power will harm him, ahem step up hulk, ( i take it you learnt to read in school) who physically has no boundries to his power.
* also hulk is renowned for lifting the unliftable etc so why is it so hard to accept he could get powerful enough to negate cyttoraks magic, ( knowing cyttorak is not the most powerful guy around also doesnt do juggie any favours here). i take it you learned logic in school too .
*hulk is juggies superior on strength and sheer power, end of story. juggies superb durability is a match for most heros, but piss hulk off enough and the fact he can get as strong as he needs to means that juggie is in deep doo doo.

Maybe we can sent a letter to Marvel Comics and asking for a special issue:
Hulk and Juggernaut:
Demolition Men.
After being resurrected and pumped up by Cyttorak, Juggy's "mentor" asks him to stop for one and all the Hulk, that with the Defenders helping him, is attacking a temple where Cyttorak's worshippers are trying to open a portal letting him enter into our dimension, causing major troubles for the Earth.Dr. Strange will be dealing with the mage leading the worshippers, an he'll give him a run for his money.Namor will be forced to fight against the guardians of the temple, armored beings powered by Cyttorak's magic, and Hulk, uh...Hulk enters in a room that looks like the room where the portal is.But the stone gate behinds him close, and the room is revealed to be a giang, huge arena.It was all an illusion.In the center of the arena, there's Juggy, with a new black and red armor, and ready to rumble.
This incarnation is a Professor Hulk able to reach his top levels as fast as savage Hulk, and possess the durability and the resistance of the savage Hulk.
But the "Old School" Juggy, is as powerful as he never be, cause Cyttoraks' wants to enter in this world, and cause there's Sammy's life to save, yes, if Marko esitates, Cytt will kill Sammy.
The battle will result in the devastation of the arena, the destruction of the portal, and a brawl that will look like someone is nuking the area.
Only one of the two will survive, only one can be the real Unstoppable Force, and there will be no resurrection, for the loser, he'll be in the list of the dead beings of the Marvel Universe.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

also there is no higher level than hulk when it comes to physical/strength potential

...not even the entities that own their own dimensions? Physical strength can't be that hard to empower themselves with compared to reality warping and such.

when it comes down to raw strength the hulk is the top of the league. gods and the like etc wont use strength to beat him they have to hope their magic is powerful enough to beat the hulk

you have to remember hulks strength potential is limitless anyway so you cant empower yourself above that

Hulk punched the armor off Onslaught while Onlsaught had the the cyttarok gem. He could clearly punch it off of Juggarnaut. Then proceeding to beat his useless armorlessnes down.

😆

He had the Cyttorak gem? 😕

And where exactly did he keep this gem? In his pocket?

The gem that was "ripped" from Juggernaut's chest in that horribly written comic isn't even inside Juggernaut. Back in the early 90s, during an X-men comic, Juggernaut threw the gem of Cytorrak into space so that no one would ever find it and so he would never lose his power.

In fact, in that same comic, Hulk goes from being pinned down to the ground by Onslaught in one cell to somehow throwing a punch strong enough to break Onslaught's armor while still lying on his back in the next cell.

Quality writing at it's finest.

How much proof do people need? in issue 404 hulk knocks juggernaut on his ass, he is on his knees, then the psychic backlash hits, and then knocks him out. That was the whole argument for the last i dont know 15 pages. Hulk didnt knock him out it was the backlash. Thus hulk has never ever caused any sufficient damage to juggernaut. Even when he was the war hulk he couldnt get the job done, and actually hurt juggernaut. If u wanna use the crap onslaught storyline, like someone mentioned storm killed the hulk.

And how is someone on his knees knocked out? he felt the hulks punch, alright but it didnt knock him out, for the billion time. Hulk can get as strong as he wants, but he doesnt have what it takes to hurt the juggernaut. Sure juggernaut can feel pain, but whatever hulk throws at him juggernaut can take, no matter how strong hulk is. eventually hulk will tire at some point and the fight is over.

But im not saying the hulk wont win in any normal fight, hulk would probably win a normal fight, but wont cause any damage to juggernaut, a death match, well after years of fighting each other, the hulk would eventually lose, that being a very very long time.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
also there is no higher level than hulk when it comes to physical/strength potential

If you dont go by slogans, then stop saying Hulk doesnt have a limit to his strength.

Slogans are wrong, as are you.

Cyttorak isnt very powerful? Are you nuts? he owns his own dimention, possibly more powerful than Odin.
Odin has even admitted he fears cyttorak.

Think before you post.

Some of these people like Tough Guy wouldnt admit they're wrong if it would save their life.
Or they've just dug a hole too deep...cant get out of it, or too embarassed to get out of it.

i hear ya long pig, Facts are facts, i posted a bloody picture of the backlash and we can clearly see juggernaut with his eyes open, screaming cause of the backlash. Proof that hulk didnt knock him out.
If u wanna look at more facts, Hulk has never and i repeat never knocked juggernaut out. Juggernaut has indeed knocked hulk out.

i just dont understand why people cant accept the facts

Originally posted by long pig
How do you know? How do you know he has infinite strength?
How do you know he has infinite power?
You dont.
You just read his slogan that says hes the strongest and all this, Jugs slogan says he is unstoppable.
So if you go by slogans, then it should be simple enough for even you.

If you dont go by slogans, then stop saying Hulk doesnt have a limit to his strength.

Slogans are wrong, as are you.

Cyttorak isnt very powerful? Are you nuts? he owns his own dimention, possibly more powerful than Odin.
Odin has even admitted he fears cyttorak.

Think before you post.

Well that type of argument goes both ways my friend...

how do you know Juggernaut is unstoppable?
you don't.... in fact its been proven to not be unstoppable...

how do you know he can not be hurt?
you don't...in fact its been shown in the comics that he can be hurt...

how do you know he can't be KO'd?
you don't...but the fact remains...if he can be dizzied..than logically..he could be KO'd...

So please enlighten me..based on all of the evidence presented in this thread..as to why he can not be hurt/dizzied/KO'd by a physical blow.

and "juggy's invulnerable" and "unstoppable" don't count as arguments.

Can I get an an Amen?