Of course I know it goes both ways, thats why i said it.
I know jugs can be hurt, KO'd and stopped, just not by hulk. Hulk simply doesnt have the power.
I've never said juggs was unstoppable or couldnt be hurt.
Have you read my posts? I said all these things could happen, but not by the hulks physical strength, or any other mortals muscle power.
Hulk will get many times stronger than jugs, but he'll never KO him or hurt him.
Hulk may get so strong as to be able to hold jugs on the ground, but I doubt it, it takes a while to get that strong, and Jugs would have killed him by then, also jugs base strength seems to be more than hulks base.
Dont get me confused with a fanboy, if you can prove me wrong Im all for it. Hell i wish someone would so this would end.
Lets look at some other facts.
They have fought 4 times.
fight #1 juggernaut and hulk traded blows and helped each other escape from a cell designed to hold hulk (which it did). only with juggernauts help did he break free. in this issue hulk was said to be "on the virge of insanity" with rage. he was angry at several different things yet still proved unable to over power hulk. but over all this issue made it seem as the 2 were nearly equal... even though at one point juggernaut commented something along the lines of "your attacks are getting weaker, while mine are getting stronger" as he kicks hulk to the ground
then hulk beats up on jugs tosses him and takes his helmet away. as hulk is walking away juggernaut is getting up all pissed off when the x-men show up, and xavier wipes his mind. hardly a victory for no one.
fight #2 - juggernaut literally beats hulk into unconscioussness via his own power. not much to say about this one except it should be noted that juggernaut attacked without his armor -surprising- hulk. but he did overcome his vaunted healing factor and beat him down. had juggernauts boss not ordered him to stop he may very well have killed him.
fight #3 only 2 punchs were thrown by hulk and both landed. but he broke free from being mind controlled and it knocked everybody unconscious via phsychic backlash (except hulk himself and vision whom is a robot).
fight #4. this is the only hulk win and he never accomplished this on his own power. he was amped up by celestial technology which allowed him to harness energy from 2 universes... the heroes reborn universe and the regular universe (this was a result of hulk being separated from banner and them both being in separate universes - from the onslaught story).
so in review hulk has NEVER won on his own power. juggernaut HAS.
Originally posted by savagerampage
Lets look at some other facts.They have fought 4 times.
fight #1 juggernaut and hulk traded blows and helped each other escape from a cell designed to hold hulk (which it did). only with juggernauts help did he break free. in this issue hulk was said to be "on the virge of insanity" with rage. he was angry at several different things yet still proved unable to over power hulk. but over all this issue made it seem as the 2 were nearly equal... even though at one point juggernaut commented something along the lines of "your attacks are getting weaker, while mine are getting stronger" as he kicks hulk to the ground
then hulk beats up on jugs tosses him and takes his helmet away. as hulk is walking away juggernaut is getting up all pissed off when the x-men show up, and xavier wipes his mind. hardly a victory for no one.fight #2 - juggernaut literally beats hulk into unconscioussness via his own power. not much to say about this one except it should be noted that juggernaut attacked without his armor -surprising- hulk. but he did overcome his vaunted healing factor and beat him down. had juggernauts boss not ordered him to stop he may very well have killed him.
fight #3 only 2 punchs were thrown by hulk and both landed. but he broke free from being mind controlled and it knocked everybody unconscious via phsychic backlash (except hulk himself and vision whom is a robot).
fight #4. this is the only hulk win and he never accomplished this on his own power. he was amped up by celestial technology which allowed him to harness energy from 2 universes... the heroes reborn universe and the regular universe (this was a result of hulk being separated from banner and them both being in separate universes - from the onslaught story).
so in review hulk has NEVER won on his own power. juggernaut HAS.
ppl keep saying Hulk had "the power of two universes" as War Hulk. Thats an exaggeration. Hulk could draw on energy from the pocket universe, a tiny universe the richards kid made, to become stronger after he got out of the pocket universe instead of getting mad. He still couldn't get as strong as regular, old, savage hulk. If he really had all the power of two universes, he would have obliterated Apocalypse and Juggernaut. He would be more powerful than Galactus.
Originally posted by juggernaut74
Where is Cosmic Cube now? He thinks Hulk knocked Juggernaut out before the backlash, and he even owns the comic and still believes that.
Well, looks like your right. That is Juggernaut, being knocked out by the backlash. Hulk didn't knock him out. I concede.
He was still on the ground before the backlash hits, obviously in pain.
How's that for being hurt?
Hulk beats juggernaut but as u can see. cant knock him out
This is a letter to the hulk editor from a hulk comic and the editor telling people how strong war hulk was
there ya go guys hope u like my scans. Proof that hulk cant cause juggernaut any real harm. juggernaut can feel pain. but the physical damage he cant be harmed by it.
If ya look hes not really hurt,by war hulk. Juggernaut isnt damaged, he just lost his helmet, war hulk simply overpowered juggernaut, making it hard for him to do anything. I dont think the hulk would be able to reach that degree of strength, during the fight it would take a while, and he could be knocked out before that