Originally posted by long pig
Jug resists magic, but its one of his only weaknesses.
Thor could possibly beat him because of his magic.
Shatterstar stabbed Jug ecause of his magic sword.Clearly in pain?? not a chance!
Clearly over powered maybe. Hulk can be stronger than Jug, no one will deny this."oooooof" doesnt mean pain.
A resistance cannot be a weakness.
Getting the wind knocked out of you hurts. That's why you say "UUUNNFF!" instead of simply exhaling.
Since when does a gut punch knock the wind out of someone? Unless Juggernaut has a different anatomy, his lungs are in his chest.
Gut punches always knock the wind out of you.
Wind is forced out and it vibrates the vocal chordes. Dont be pissed at me, i didnt create the human body.
"ooooof" means "damn i was hit by a 100 ton punch...thank god it didnt effect me physically"
Juggernaut has ALWAYS been vulnerable to certian magic, you know this.
Thor's powers are magic based. Thor could maybe beat him.
Man i thought we all agreeded on a draw?
cosmic u know very well, that hulk punching juggernaut in the gut isnt going 2 do much, and u know he woulda got up from that. Thor, and juggernaut fought to both standstills, with thor getting a good beating in both? thor got demolished the first fight, cause he was sick lmfao.
second fight he gave juggernaut a good thrashing, but juggernaut still took it to him, thor had to resort to moving juggernaut from the battle field cause he knew the longer the fight was gonna go, he was gonna die.
i can post the 402 battle where hulk gets his assssssss kicked by juggernaut in its entirely. actually, theres a comic convention here, i wanna see if i can get those 2 thor fights with juggernaut.
anyways this is a draw, fight will go on forever, hulk cant hurt juggernaut
PERIOD, not happening
Dude we already established that hulk cannot physically hurt juggernaut.
in all 4 fights they had, Hulk has not shown to cause juggernaut damage, even as war hulk.
here is the link of pics i posted up of the 4 fights
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15217&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=174
Hulk can win by ring out or entrapment somehow, but he will not physically damage juggernaut, he simply cannot.
so what about expressions? people make faces all the time. they gotta make him show some type of feeling. Hulk has never hurt him man, period, dude the proof is right infront of u. NO one pre onslaught has got the job done, ever. how can u even argue this. Hulk posses no psi power, nor magic, he cant hurt him. doesnt mean he cant win.
Dude, there's more than one "ooooof" type incident you know. Just 'cause Juggy keep insisting it doesn't hurt doesn't make it true. "Me thinks thou does protest too much" if you get what i'm saying. He keeps saying he's not hurt while he's grinding his teeth in pain. "A picture is worth a thousand words" and all that. You do realise that comics are the marriage of picture and word right? Both matter oft times equally (depending on artist and writers and intention of both.) The writer is the one that decides which image should be shown, he has to or the meaning might be lost. Argueing the picture is like argueing with the narrorator in a novel.
if i remember this correctly when bruce banner and the hulk were seperated bruce made the hulk so angry his brain fizzled out because bruce out smarted the hulk so the hulk got angryer and angryer untill he passed out i guiss so when the hulk realises he cannot stop the juggernaught he will get so angry he passes out or the jugger naught could wate till he turns back into bruce and crush him to death and isnt the hulk invincable also? becouse when the leader takes ove the hulks body he sais "invincablity a shroude or cape i shal were it proudly" cant remember properly as i aint seen that comic in like 5 years
But MERC, you do realize that Marvel tends to use people like Jugs, Champ, Gladiator and other like them harshly?
They hardly give them consistant justice.
Even Lobo is a victim of this kind of writing.
How does a full force godforce blast from thor tickle Jugs but a small kidney punch from hulk wind him? Prof Hulk no less.
Jug has shown never to be hurt by anyone physically, he's said he can't be hurt....therefore i believe him.
"ooof"s and "gaaaaahhh!!!" can be confused as pain gestures, but they also can be just considered a human reactions to precieved oncoming pain.
Jug has been human far longer than hes been Juggernaut, so it makes since that he'd act like one.
I have a good example of this.
Jug has been on fire and thrown into volcanos many many times and never even blinked, but once when caught off gaurd, Nightcrawler threw a flaming stick into jugs face and jug screamed. Did this hurt jug? of course it didnt, but his human mind precieved that it would.
Jug does many things that he doesnt have to, but his human mind makes him.
He doesnt need to breath, but he does.
He doesnt need to eat, but he does.
He's just doing what humans do...and in his mind he's human....IMO
Inconsistant, yeah maybe, but after it happens so many times it becomes the truth. I don't agree with it either, but that's the way it goes. Gladiator's confidence thing was probably just to cover up bad writing, Lobo's suffered horribly from this crap, but those things (until they try to pull another crisis on infinite earths) are part of the character.
I was referring to the onslaught sagas inconsistant use of jugs, before that he was 100% invulnerable to physical pain. And the rest of what i wrote explained the reasons why he acted like he felt pain.
OT You obviously know more about Lobo than me but what do you think about current Lobo now? do you think its the original Lobo??
or a clone?