Juggernaut or The Hulk?

collossus is a starter dish for hulk, and however much magic juggie has got he would still be overcome by a well written hulk who wont stop till he is pummelled. thats hulk , sorry but thats what he is, hence why he was given unlimited strength and healing as a character. hulk isnt more powerful than odin but may well be able to overcome any magic that tested his strength from odin as he would from cyttorak who is pretty middle class too. as for galactus and thanos as was said earlier they wouldnt do hand to hand with hulk lol, and they could only ever end up physically as strong as hulk who is limitless in his strength potential

Actually the boundries of Cyttorak's powers aren't really well known.
Trion Juggs is a good indacator because that is when he gave Juggs vast amounts of his power but it is still not clearly defined what the limit is.
Now much writing is done on him. I get sick and tired of hearing this whole thing of Hulk growing strong enough to overcome Jugg's enchantment. First I am a strong believer that raw physical strength can not negate magic it takes something much more than that and Hulk only has Physical strength.

well im a believer in the characters that were created and hulk has no boundry to what he can do which is why he was given unlimited strength , magic or not hulk grows stronger till he achieves what he wants .

theyre talking of having our own vinnie jones as the juggernaut in the next x men film

I heard about that.
I hope he does a good job of him.

Juggs also grows stronger until he achieves what he wants. I have yet to see something he could not lift/push/move/break. Whatever he needs to get done strength wise, he gets it done. Just like Hulk. So don't go about saying Hulk is stronger. Cuz there's no proof of this. Just like there's no proof that Juggs is stronger.

Strength really isn't the issue here honestly.

Actually Metalmanx Hulk is offically stronger. It is stated by Marvel that Hulk has limitless strength. even though juggs has never been given a limit until Marvel states the Juggs has no limit the strength part goes to Hulk. Even though Hulk is offically stronger i don't think Juggs is to far behind but a ahead in the Durability department by a lot.

Cyttorak did get pissed at jugs here recently, and took a lot of his power away and gave it to someone else, some little kid. The kid turned into juggernaut and cain kicked his ass somehow.

Basically, Jugs is "learning a lesson" awwww.

Saying, you're just a kid in a juggernaut suit, cain realized so was he, and yada yada, he's now a good guy. 😘

well strength plays a major part here as hulk was given unlimited strength so he would be the one character able to get mad until he achieves whatever it is he needs to do, sorry but thats what he is. also juggie is not way ahead of hulk on durability, hulk is nigh indestructable he heals faster with his anger

I have still seen Hulk's skin penetrated alot easier Then Jugg's is.
I mean Wolvies claws ripped through his flesh o have never seen that happen to juggs.

Originally posted by newjak86
I have still seen Hulk's skin penetrated alot easier Then Jugg's is.
I mean Wolvies claws ripped through his flesh o have never seen that happen to juggs.

That's because Juggernaut's skin can't be penetrated. Wolverine has cut through Grey, Merged, and Prof. That would never happened to Savage.

i tgink it depends on the story, after all, wolvie has to be shown to be able to do something against hulk

hulk can also be written as quite a weakling in contrast to the levels he can reach, its all about the vulnerable side to his character , juggie i dont think ever needs to be portrayed in this way as part of his appeal

Poor juggs......

How long has Jugs been depowered anyway?

quite while, its not depowering its basically trying to turn him into a character able to fit into the x men, who all have frailties and where collosus is the main muscle

Yeah, they're trying to make him nice. Also, I mean really, if the xmen had a pure 100% indestructable guy on thier team, why would they need anyone else? Couldn't Prof.X put a telepathy block in his brain, so he wouldn't need the helmet??

That'd be sweet.

well he never was indestructable but he is less durable now as he needs to have more dimensions to his character now, however i believe yhe film versio wil be based on classic juggie

I think sooner or later Clasic jugs will get back. No need to have "just" strong guy like colussus. Classic Jugs belonged to another level and his durability was on par with none. Thats what made him cool.

Depowered versions only last for so long. Check Supes, and recently Herc.

" Just another strong guy.."