Originally posted by jgiantI remeber that now I can't belive I forgot about that he didn't almost kill him. He magically stripped the flesh from Juggs. Yet he stilled moved even though he was nothing but a skeleton.
let me see....jugs and this girl fought d'spayre for a while and then d'spayre let lose all his power on jugs and jugs just stood their taking it and at the end he was a skeleton. then jugs and the girl thru him in a portal and the girl turned jugs back into jugs...more or less.
Speaking of this favorite quote right here from that:
This takes place during D'Spayre's removal of the flesh from Cain's body.
The Juggernaut-"But I been feelin' despair my whole life. And I learned how to deal with it. I got mad!"
D'Spayre-"He still stands? He moves?"
The Juggernaut-"'Cause life is pain. Pain leads to despair. An' the only way to beat despair is through rage. And rage feeds The Juggernaut. Once The Juggernaut feels rage...nothing...of this or any world... NOTHING CAN STOP THE JUGGERNAUT!"
hmmm hulk has triumphed over magic b4.
i know he hasnt broken mojlner
war showed juggies limits.
Jugs limits are enchanted objects, War was one large enchanted argument. END.
either the power he draws from is not that powerful ( an old argument of mine)
meaning a simple upgrade to hulk overpoered him.
or he is vulnerable to a certain level of physical abuse.
my argument long pig still stands hulks character is potentially able to do any physical challenge set.
he just needs to get psyched up enough to do it.
doesnt mean to say he will though.
D'Spayre is a HIGH LEVEL MAGIC WEILDER who feeds off fear, he was draining Jug of power through MAGICAL means.
Jugs was weak because he was attacked by MAGIC.
But he still was fine, he took it all and didn't feel pain.
He was stripped to his bones, and was still as strong as normal and healed instantly.
long pig i think u need to read up a little on hulks potential. on a physical scale its limitless leaving open the possibility of becoming powerful enough to harm juggie. my point about war is apoc powered hulk up,and at some point on this marvellous thread i was told how powerful cyttorak is, wel if an amped hulk from apoc outdoes an exemplar of cyttorak , it puts cyttorak in his place. his magic i believe is not that powerful. you want to see juggie being overpowered by hulk, read any other fight between these two. hulk is always on top and stopped by some or other atory fix to let juggie off without a mashing. a simple writers ploy to keep the debates like these prolonged. as for juggie not having his own comic, i suits him more not having one as this way the mystique surrounding his character has created a legend far more powerful than the actual creation. after all look what happened when he became an x man more recently. hmmmmmm invulnerability and a force field quickly went, as did this limitless durability and strength myth. goes to show regular characters need to be written very vulnerable at times to add some interest to the stories they are in. hence all the examples of hulks vulnerability on here. if he wasnt at times losing or drawing readers would be much less likely to associate anything with him. now go grow your weener into something your mother would not be so ashamed of being associated with
War was jiuced up with celestail power that is is normally what the Hulk does right he has celestail power coursing through his vains. Still he simply tossed Juggs around nothing more nothing less. Did you see Juggernaut being hurt at all? Wow you guys like to argue this whole War thing when it has been proven that Jugg's magical enchantment can be overcome by things outside of Physical means telepathy high levels of magic and Celestial energies as shown by War.
war had juggie battered and was about to behead him. juggie the character that thors god force magic only caused a stumble lol.the point was clearly made that all hulk got was a strength increase, something a normal hulk can do anyway, but aside from plot holes, he had that and some armour and a sword., he never used anything other than strength in the fight. anyway i appreciate war was a one off and that so i wont keep bringing him up. hulk though is capable of getting very strong without celestial tech etc
Originally posted by Tough GuyYes bt the fact that he used weapons and armor that could negate Jugg's enchantment doesnt prove that Hulk could do it.
war had juggie battered and was about to behead him. juggie the character that thors god force magic only caused a stumble lol.the point was clearly made that all hulk got was a strength increase, something a normal hulk can do anyway, but aside from plot holes, he had that and some armour and a sword., he never used anything other than strength in the fight. anyway i appreciate war was a one off and that so i wont keep bringing him up. hulk though is capable of getting very strong without celestial tech etc
long pig war, who had nothing back from juggie stands over him about to behead him. in comics my little willied wonder thats a beating, and the comic showed it was done with considerable ease to hulkm compared with his usual fights. anyway my point is that a normal savage hulk would be able to reach the levels of strength of war, and that it didnt take a particularly ( in the scheme of things) powerful guy ( apoc) to be able to overcome the enchantment set by cyttorak. hence i believ that a hulk getting so angry his balls hurt would hurt and crush the juggie, jibber jabber on that me old cocka sparrow