Juggernaut or The Hulk?

Originally posted by Grammaton
I know enough about Juggernaut to know that the magic that has been bestowed upon him grants him super strength (alongside the factors that are usually associated with this ie. invunerability, stamina, durability etc). Again like I said previously his magic was negated by War Hulk (and many claim War Hulk NOT to be the strongest form of the Hulk) which proves his magic can be negated by strength alone, admittedly "amped" strength, but strength nonetheless. The Hulk in his standard form has no limits to strength. How can I possibly make this any simpler for you to understand?

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
batman wins!!!

Originally posted by BstrdMan
Wait for it. I'm waiting for the "Nuh-Uh! Juggy is teh win!"
Bleh.
Actually.. I wonder if Kevin Matchstick could take Hulk...

wolverine can, apparently since he *can* cut hulk, he can get that lethal swipe.

Batman and wolverine vs hulk and juggs.

Batman finds a weakness in juggs, and wolverine fights hulk.

1 day prep, I BET you someone will argue it.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
wolverine can, apparently since he *can* cut hulk, he can get that lethal swipe.

Batman and wolverine vs hulk and juggs.

Batman finds a weakness in juggs, and wolverine fights hulk.

1 day prep, I BET you someone will argue it.

You know another thing I have realised this forum always discusses how Hulk would defeat Juggernaut. Somone please tell me how Juggernaut could defeat the Hulk taking into consideration both their powers. LMAO.

I am sure Wolverine and Batman could take over the world given enough "prep" time...🙂

"Yet again you havent answered my question - where has the Hulk ever showed that he has a limit to his rage? "

Sure i did. Pad first run. When talking about going against Satannish. The page i provided has a little statement tooo. . . ill let you find out.

"You are merely showing me where the Hulk had not reached a limit as yet to defeat an opponent "

The scans are to show that physically he doesnt get the better against guys above his level. Those two wer the case. And Titannus still is until they give him low showings.

"he has still NOT reached a limit. I really dont understand why that is hard for you to understand - because if this is a contest of strength then the Hulk wins hands down"

The writters must not understand also. They stated his rage in his regular self its self imposing and therefore not limitess. They state he can only use all his strenght (wich is infinite) because of -rage-. So what do we got? You seem smart. Make the count.

About not reaching a limit. Is that why in the antimater story feat, he was stated to lose it - and - had another character in Spiderman changed the tactics because of that?

So you are saying the writers are wrong about Hulk also.

"Juggernaut is not as strong as the Hulk. Period. True he may have the upperhand in battles "

Then at worst they start on a equal footing, before Hulk pulls a Onlaught " im better than everyone" moment. Because you know, that is what stalemates show.

Not being strong - as - means he is lower. Thats not what theyr fights showed so far.

"so does Wolverine and even Batman (LMFAO) its called bad writing (because if you honestly believe on paper that either of those 2 could handle the Hulk you really need to read a few more Hulk comics), "

Not at all, mate. However your comparation also lacks intelligence. Juggernaut -even- if he was indeed lower than Hulk as you claim he would never be in the same extremely low footing of those two. Its moot. Not bad writting in this case.

"Stan Lee has said the Hulk is the strongest physical being in the Marvel Universe"

Then thats statement its already wrong because in that -universe- there are beings stronger. Written ya know. Stated. Showed.

"Juggernaut's only power is his strength...it does NOT increase like the Hulk. Eventually the Juggernaut would not even be able to hurt the Hulk. Tell me again how Juggernaut wins this?"

By having other powers you didnt mentioned beside strenght. One wich is the ability of not getting hurt physically unless he plays dumb. Unless you tell me a Hulk punch its going to hurt him where a Godblast did not.

Oh and Tguy.

What did you said?

Originally posted by BstrdMan
I know he can cut him.. But how fast does it heal? As for a lethal swipe... we're talkin pin-point accuracy. Brainstem.

Hulk can heal from a brainstem, but some think wolverine heals from a molecule.

tough call, and with batman there...

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Hulk can heal from a brainstem, but some think wolverine heals from a molecule.

tough call, and with batman there...

Originally posted by Grammaton
You know another thing I have realised this forum always discusses how Hulk would defeat Juggernaut. Somone please tell me how Juggernaut could defeat the Hulk taking into consideration both their powers. LMAO.

I am sure Wolverine and Batman could take over the world given enough "prep" time...🙂

"but some think wolverine heals from a molecule"

I actually tracked that down. He did heal from a drop of blood because of the possesion of a magical artifact. Without which he couldn't have done it.

Originally posted by Creshosk
"but some think wolverine heals from a molecule"

I actually tracked that down. He did heal from a drop of blood because of the possesion of a magical artifact. Without which he couldn't have done it.

"Sure i did. Pad first run. When talking about going against Satannish. The page i provided has a little statement tooo. . . ill let you find out."

Can you do me a favour and post the link again - I cant find this "statement" you are referring too.

"The scans are to show that physically he doesnt get the better against guys above his level. Those two wer the case. And Titannus still is until they give him low showings"

Im sorry I must have misunderstood the times when the Hulk has outdone not only the Juggernaut but entire teams (ie. Onslaught).

"The writters must not understand also. They stated his rage in his regular self its self imposing and therefore not limitess. They state he can only use all his strenght (wich is infinite) because of -rage-. So what do we got? You seem smart. Make the count."

Self imposing to what degree exactly? War Hulk (variation of Prof Hulk) seemed to be able to negate Juggernaut's enchantment just fine. Don't agree with it then complain to Marvel.

"About not reaching a limit. Is that why in the antimater story feat, he was stated to lose it - and - had another character in Spiderman changed the tactics because of that?"

I dont recall the comic very well however I remember their being an "X" factor as to why he was losing his strength.

"Then at worst they start on a equal footing, before Hulk pulls a Onlaught " im better than everyone" moment. Because you know, that is what stalemates show.

Not being strong - as - means he is lower. Thats not what theyr fights showed so far. "

Hmmmm you mean the same moment that Juggernaut was unable to accomplish right? I don't what fights you are talking about, the 2 comics I have of the Hulk and Juggernaut always show the Hulk handling the Juggernaut.

"Then thats statement its already wrong because in that -universe- there are beings stronger. Written ya know. Stated. Showed."

Like I said. You dont agree with is then complain to Marvel. I have the statement from Stan Lee in one of the X-Men's comics if you would like to see it. Their may be stronger beings, but can the Hulk eventually surpass them. Yes.

"Can you do me a favour and post the link again - I cant find this "statement" you are referring too"

Go to my post and check what Iron man is saying.

"Im sorry I must have misunderstood the times when the Hulk has outdone not only the Juggernaut but entire teams (ie. Onslaught)."

You didnt heard me saying he never did. WIch isent what we are arguing here. It would be if i said he didng got stronger than others.

But at least realize Juggernaut - alone - has stalemate him. Even Hulk as War didnt beat him.

You seem to be impling Hulk always had the upperhand physically in every figths.

"I dont recall the comic very well however I remember their being an "X" factor as to why he was losing his strength"

There was any that i recall.

"Self imposing to what degree exactly? War Hulk (variation of Prof Hulk) seemed to be able to negate Juggernaut's enchantment just fine. Don't agree with it then complain to Marvel."

For the first part check again the page i linked in my first post about this. War hulk was amped with Celestial tecnology by Apocalipse. He didnt reached there by himself.

I have no need to complain. 😉

"Hmmmm you mean the same moment that Juggernaut was unable to accomplish right? I don't what fights you are talking about, the 2 comics I have of the Hulk and Juggernaut always show the Hulk handling the Juggernaut."

Show them. Because unless you mean the PAd run where both got a win each, there was no winner in the others or a definite superior.

Im not counting War on this.

"Like I said. You dont agree with is then complain to Marvel. I have the statement from Stan Lee in one of the X-Men's comics if you would like to see it. Their may be stronger beings, but can the Hulk eventually surpass them. Yes."

I know that statement. Yet after that other characters showed up and showed to be stronger. Like Drax, that even when he was Savage, Hulk didnt won.

The last part of your statement its innacurate. Hes never got stronger to surpass cosmics. Not when he goes down to thanos clones, and the like. The statements need to be showed and proved in the comics.

Edit :
"Im sorry I must have misunderstood the times when the Hulk has outdone not only the Juggernaut but entire teams (ie. Onslaught)."

You didnt heard me saying he never did. Wich isent what we are arguing here. It would be if i said he -never- got stronger than others.

But at least realize Juggernaut - alone - has stalemate him. Even Hulk as War didnt beat him. You seem to be impling Hulk always had the upperhand physically in every figth.

And there are other characters that outdue Teams. Hulk isent original in that.

I know enough about Juggernaut to know that the magic that has been bestowed upon him grants him super strength (alongside the factors that are usually associated with this ie. invunerability, stamina, durability etc).

Again like I said previously his magic was negated by War Hulk (and many claim War Hulk NOT to be the strongest form of the Hulk) which proves his magic can be negated by strength alone, admittedly "amped" strength, but strength nonetheless.

The Hulk in his standard form has no limits to strength. How can I possibly make this any simpler for you to understand?

You don't seem to grasp the concept that Hulk can't win.

Hell, it's never been show Hulk being stronger than Jug, they seem even, or sometimes Jugs gets the upperhand in strength.

Sometimes Hulk has gets the upperhand in strength, it works both ways.

Of course it does.

That's why everyone says stalemate, except the people who actually said hulk can get strong enough to "Smash the universe".

That dumbass actually implied that. Jesus Christ.

Im a huge Hulk fan but I cant say he beats juggs, he cant be physically hurt no matter how strong Hulk gets, i'll say stalemate too.

Originally posted by jgiant
Im a huge Hulk fan but I cant say he beats juggs, he cant be physically hurt no matter how strong Hulk gets, i'll say stalemate too.

Originally posted by jgiant
Im a huge Hulk fan but I cant say he beats juggs, he cant be physically hurt no matter how strong Hulk gets, i'll say stalemate too.

Actually jug's ONLY point of advantage is when they first start fighting, then he could possibly get a really hard lucky shot.

Seeing as though Hulk wouldn't be in rage mode at the beginning he would be vulnerable to a good ol' punch to K.O him.

Otherwise, stalemate.