Heres some interesting info from the marvel directory about Juggs.
http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/j/juggernaut.htm
According to this, his strength is unknown. I thought he had some known limit.
Originally posted by johnv89He has never shown a limit and possibly can draw power from an unlimited power source so no one knows for sure.
Heres some interesting info from the marvel directory about Juggs.http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/j/juggernaut.htm
According to this, his strength is unknown. I thought he had some known limit.
here is the MD strength 100 class scale.
http://www.marveldirectory.com/strengthlevels/100.htm
Originally posted by Tough Guy
as for u tron , well i concede minors shouldnt be subjected to poor language though i have tried to b less course than most in most rebukes. however you havent understood my points as u have always argued at tangents to points that are pretty conclusive. also most guys dissagreeing on here are juggie fans, so i well am holding my own i guess and its pretty easy too. u can bar me also , it makes little difference as your wrong in your opinion and silencing me ( however u try) is not gonna make u right my little fruit bat.
Well, I suppose there's little in responding to this now, but I'm sure you may read it anyway, so here ya' go. Your banning had nothing to do with your opinion. Your opinion is why I stopped debating with you months ago, saying the same thing and bringing nothing to prove your points (and most of your statements were already challenged and disproven long before you joined, so I could only repeat myself for so long). You talk like you're the only one I don't agree with on here. I don't agree with everything Wynndar has said, but he's at least brought on a good debate here, and backed up his claims, and never
disrespected anyone on here. And that, my friend, is why you were banned. I warned you many times about your insults and bashing on here, and you chose not to abide by the rules of the site, so that's why you were banned. Your opinions were never a problem, in fact, I stopped taking you serious at some point, which is pretty much why I stopped debating with you. There was no point in watching you repeat yourself, or me repeating myself. But, of course, you crossed the line, more than once. I told you to tone it down, more than once, and you didn't, actually giving you more chances than most. So I hope you enjoyed your "freedom of speech", cause this is what you got you.
Have fun somewhere other than KMC.😉
"But you see, Hulk can only gain limitless strength by killing himself.
Limitless strength is dampened by a limited source, rage.
Banner's rage IS limited, and without Banner, Hulk dies.... so basically, Hulk has the potential to have limitless strength, just not the ability."
Thats exactly the point. You cant use all the potencial of something if what amps the source its not limitess. And Hulk has been stated as having Banner as a limitation for that.
In the end he needs Banner anyway because without him he dies. For some its not enougth that he gets and can get stronger than other heroes. Nah he has to be stronger than high cosmics too.
He doesnt. Thats why he belongs in the top tier.
Originally posted by BstrdMan
Hmmmm... There has to be a giving point.
If.. IF Hulk's rage got to that level, to where his strength was so great, reality itself was affected, he could destroy whatever magic was entailed and connected between Juggy and the gem. Or smash the gem itself.
All Juggy would be able to do is protect himself. His invulnerabilty is limited to his own form.
HULK SMASH REALITY!!! ARRGGHHH!!!!
It may suprise you but I am actually a big fan of Juggernaut. I am willing to admit that a stalemate between the 2 is the most likely result. However I think that Hulk with his ever increasing strength, durability, healing regeneration etc would eventually surpass Juggernaut's enchantment.
They are both essentially "strong men" (regardless of the slight differences in other powers) - Juggernaut with his magical enchantment, Hulk with his gamma mutation. This is to me is irrelevant, only a means to an ends.
Until I see a limit to his rage the Hulk is at present unlimited in his power (the Beyonder himself stating this). Unless somone here can tell me exactly how far emotions can actually go - dont tell me his rage his limited.
"Until I see a limit to his rage the Hulk is at present unlimited in his power (the Beyonder himself stating this). "
Hulk was stated to have unlimited strength. Wich we already know.
"Unless somone here can tell me exactly how far emotions can actually go - dont tell me his rage his limited."
From his comics it is. Banner limitates it. Thats why without Banner Hulk gets stronger with no appearant limit. This has also been stated.
Real life its another matter.
Originally posted by Grammaton
It may suprise you but I am actually a big fan of Juggernaut. I am willing to admit that a stalemate between the 2 is the most likely result. However I think that Hulk with his ever increasing strength, durability, healing regeneration etc would eventually surpass Juggernaut's enchantment.
They are both essentially "strong men" (regardless of the slight differences in other powers) - Juggernaut with his magical enchantment, Hulk with his gamma mutation. This is to me is irrelevant, only a means to an ends.
Until I see a limit to his rage the Hulk is at present unlimited in his power (the Beyonder himself stating this). Unless somone here can tell me exactly how far emotions can actually go - dont tell me his rage his limited.
Just think how many times Hulk wanted to break Mjolnir, but he never even got close. Why? Because the magic is too powerful to be broken by simple strength alone.
Odin made mjolnir.
Cyttorak made Jug.
By most accounts, Cyttorak>Odin
Originally posted by long pig
See, you're missing the point of Hulk's weakness to enchanted objects.
Hulk can't break enchanted objects, he's tried hundreds of times but he can't. Hulk is bound by science, and magice normally surpasses it, especially by top tier skyfathers.Just think how many times Hulk wanted to break Mjolnir, but he never even got close. Why? Because the magic is too powerful to be broken by simple strength alone.
Odin made mjolnir.
Cyttorak made Jug.By most accounts, Cyttorak>Odin
Hulk has broken the bands of Cyttorak. And so has Namor. So what. Its unconfirmed as to who is stronger between Cyttorak and Odin. But at least we've seen the feats of Odin. Odin is also virtually omniscient...Cyttorak's nature and intellect seems childish compared to Odin.
Originally posted by long pig
They broke 'em, but the bands are only as strong as the will power/energy of the person who castes them.And each time they were broke, the person casting them were either unconcious, or close to it.
Doesn't really count.
To be fair man, that still counts. This is clearly an example of strength beating magic. If Lots of strength can beat weak magic, then theoretically lots more strength can beat more magic. Even by your example, if you read it back to yourself "as strong as the will power/energy" then your saying that physical strength can over power power/energy.
You have a point, but Strange is only human with limited will/magical energy, yet still kept Hulk hold with them a dozen times before, but he only broke them when Strange was out of energy/will power/strength to keep the bands strong.
Cyttorak, with his limitless magical power gave Jugs the enchantment, so unless Cyttorak dies while Hulk is fighting, Jug has no need to worry about his power being lost.
Get what I'm saying?
Hulk/Namor didn't beat the magic, they beat the frail human wielder, Strange.
Even if he has the power of a god, he has the body of a human and can be k.o'd by a simple psychic backlash. Which is how Namor broke them.....which by my definition, isn't breaking them.