Originally posted by batdude123
The Venom fight was pure PIS to the fullest. Everytime Juggs and Thor have fought, it's either ended with Juggernaut winning, or Thor making a ditch for Juggs via the God Blast. That's another thing; Juggernaut took the God Blast with a smile and the God Blast was the power that took down Mangog for cryin out loud!
The fight I was referring to was when Thor negated Juggs's shield and then beat him around. Thor fights go in favor of Juggernaut because Thor fights like an idiot. Using his full versatility, Thor should no problems with Juggernaut.
Like I said, BOTH Hulk and Juggernaut have had their highs and their lows. If people are going to keep bringing up the times Hulk was knocked out, I'm going to keep bringing up the times Juggernaut was physically manhandled. It's as simple as that.
Originally posted by roughrider
Thor's strongest hits have only shook Cain up a little, but he just keeps on going. When Thor has managed to lessen the influence of Cyttorak, the fight's have gone more his way. Hulk has no way of subverting magic.
Originally posted by Accel
And Hulk not only took a galaxy-destroying blast, but he also redirected it with a thuderclap.The fight I was referring to was when Thor negated Juggs's shield and then beat him around. Thor fights go in favor of Juggernaut because Thor fights like an idiot. Using his full versatility, Thor should no problems with Juggernaut.
Like I said, BOTH Hulk and Juggernaut have had their highs and their lows. If people are going to keep bringing up the times Hulk was knocked out, I'm going to keep bringing up the times Juggernaut was physically manhandled. It's as simple as that.
So what's your point? Not once did I say Hulk could or would do this. I never said he had a way to get past Juggernaut's enchantments. Juggernaut can't be beaten physically, which is all hulk has, and Hulk won't wear down, which is why I say stalemate.
If you could just name the times and the opponents that Juggernaut has been physically manhandled by, and then name the characters Hulk was physically manhandled by, I would appreciate it.
Then can you list all Juggernaut powers and Marvel has stated Juggernaut has, and then all the powers Marvel has stated Hulk has.
Originally posted by bherrle
"The Venom fight was pure PIS to the fullest.".See? This is what I'm saying. Like Juggernaut taking the Godblast is fine and dandy? You don't hear us whining about how THOR jobbed, do you? No, we take it and move on. So when Juggs gets pimp slapped by Venom don't complain about it!
Do you know what PIS means?
Originally posted by roughrider
They go out to some remote astral plane, and fight non-stop for a month, the Hulk eventually dies of exhaustion and starvation. And Juggernaut is as fresh as when the fight started. That's what unlimited durability and stamina does for you.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
If you could just name the times and the opponents that Juggernaut has been physically manhandled by, and then name the characters Hulk was physically manhandled by, I would appreciate it.Then can you list all Juggernaut powers and Marvel has stated Juggernaut has, and then all the powers Marvel has stated Hulk has.
Juggernaut is immortal, invulnerable, unstoppable, and indestructible and has a magical force field.. Hulk possesses limitless strength, stamina, and durability as well as one of the most effective healing factors in comics. Ya happy?
I don’t see why you want me to list their powers. You already know what Juggernaut is capable of, so that would just be redundant. AGAIN, I already admitted that Hulk can’t physically over power Juggernaut without PIS. I only used those examples to show that Cain has also had his low showings as well. This fight is a stalemate.
Originally posted by python99
I think Jugghead Would win but its funny how Gladiator took a punch to the stomach from Juggy which looked like he had hit a brick wall, he then laughed at him and through him deep into outerspace with one hand. Too confusing
And now for a musical interlude... 😗
Juggernaut versus Hulk, the KMC thread,
If you haven't been here,
You won't believe what's been said!
It's a thread that can be as annoying as Fran Drescher,
But at the end of the day, it's a guilty pleasure!
Dum-da-dum-dum: IT'S CAIN!
Dum-da-dum-dum: IT'S BRUCE!
I tell you you're wrong,
You say my screws' loose!
Smashin' and stompin' over every earthly hovel,
All the pages written, it could be a novel!
He's Red, and he's Green!
He's Stop, and he's Go!
Cain may be a thug, but the Hulk is slow! 😄
They both have taglines that show they're all biz;
Hulk will smash, Juggs asks you who he is!
At the end of the day, the fans want only one.
There can be no hitch.
I'm not one to be provoking, but...
IT'S THE JUGGERNAUT, B*TCH!!! 😛
( Come on, everyone sing along!!!)
Originally posted by Accel
Yes, that’s correct. And Hulk has those as well. I don’t know how many times I’ve stated this so far, but Hulk’s durability increases ALONG with his strength. He won’t tire for the whole duration of the battle, as he’ll be completely focused on taking Cain down, which just isn’t going to happen.Okay… War Hulk, Venom, and Thor all come to mind. Now before you twist my words, notice that I never said he was K.O.ed by these guys, only that they each managed to stop him from moving at one point and even knock him around. I just posted a pic of Venom doing it., I believe leonidas posted scans of Thor doing it in the Marvel’s Strongest Thread, and I also believe War can be found doing it in the Hulk Respect Thread.
Juggernaut is immortal, invulnerable, unstoppable, and indestructible and has a magical force field.. Hulk possesses limitless strength, stamina, and durability as well as one of the most effective healing factors in comics. Ya happy?
I don’t see why you want me to list their powers. You already know what Juggernaut is capable of, so that would just be redundant. AGAIN, I already admitted that Hulk can’t physically over power Juggernaut without PIS. I only used those examples to show that Cain has also had his low showings as well. This fight is a stalemate.
No reason to get mad
Juggernauts powers: Unlimited strength, Completely impervious to all forms of damage, Cannot feel pain, magic force field that can suck up the inertia of objects, Once he begins moving no force other than his own will can stop him, healing factor.
Hulks Powers: Limitless strength, high degree of invulnerability, healing factor, super speed, can jump great distances.
Now please explain to me how Hulk even stacks up in this fight?
I'm sorry, but I have never seen Hulks durability increase along with his strength. It has also never been stated that Hulk has limitless stamina, for if he did he wouldn't have the need to breath. I also haven't seen Hulk grow past the ability to get ko'd or killed. So if you can show me the comics where this has been stated than we can bring that into account in this thread. Otherwise what you just stated is just your opinion.
So you say that Venom, Thor, and War Hulk have manhandled Cain? well Venom was nearly killed by Cain, and his fight with Thor was PIS. The reason the fight with Thor was PIS is solely because the comic stated that Juggernauts durability derives from his magic shield which it doesn't. If you've ever read any Marvel comics you'll know that Juggernaut rarely ever uses his magic shield, and his body is in fact the reason he's invulnerable to harm.
The fight with War Hulk, imo is more of a feat for Cain than it is for War. War Hulk was equipped with Celestial implants, was drawing power from two dimensions, and Cain was still able to get in as many hits as War did. Does that not sound like a feat for Cain?
tell me, How Hulk's going to win if he can still be ko'd, killed, get tired?
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
animated series are bullshit they always weaken characters i them in animated spiderman spidey can't even lift up a car but how is it possible if he is atleast class 15 and car's weight is below 3 tons
Yeah tell me about its hard to really calculate a characters potetial when its so inconsistant but thats they way it has to be so everyone who likes a certaiin character could always see them accomplish something great. Like defeating someone they have no business beating.
Originally posted by roughrider
And now for a musical interlude... 😗Juggernaut versus Hulk, the KMC thread,
If you haven't been here,
You won't believe what's been said!It's a thread that can be as annoying as Fran Drescher,
But at the end of the day, it's a guilty pleasure!Dum-da-dum-dum: IT'S CAIN!
Dum-da-dum-dum: IT'S BRUCE!
I tell you you're wrong,
You say my screws' loose!Smashin' and stompin' over every earthly hovel,
All the pages written, it could be a novel!He's Red, and he's Green!
He's Stop, and he's Go!
Cain may be a thug, but the Hulk is slow! 😄They both have taglines that show they're all biz;
Hulk will smash, Juggs asks you who he is!At the end of the day, the fans want only one.
There can be no hitch.
I'm not one to be provoking, but...IT'S THE JUGGERNAUT, B*TCH!!! 😛
( Come on, everyone sing along!!!)
I saw a sneak preview of X-Men: The Last Stand an undoubtedly the best line in the whole movie was...
Spoiler:
"Do you know who I am? I'M THE JUGGERNAUT, *****!"
Originally posted by python99
Yeah tell me about its hard to really calculate a characters potetial when its so inconsistant but thats they way it has to be so everyone who likes a certaiin character could always see them accomplish something great. Like defeating someone they have no business beating.
"Yeah tell me about" why you brought up the animated series when it's not cannon, and shouldn't be brought up in this discussion.