Originally posted by Soujaboy
No reason to get madJuggernauts powers: Unlimited strength, Completely impervious to all forms of damage, Cannot feel pain, magic force field that can suck up the inertia of objects, Once he begins moving no force other than his own will can stop him, healing factor.
Hulks Powers: Limitless strength, high degree of invulnerability, healing factor, super speed, can jump great distances.
Now please explain to me how Hulk even stacks up in this fight?
I'm sorry, but I have never seen Hulks durability increase along with his strength. It has also never been stated that Hulk has limitless stamina, for if he did he wouldn't have the need to breath. I also haven't seen Hulk grow past the ability to get ko'd or killed. So if you can show me the comics where this has been stated than we can bring that into account in this thread. Otherwise what you just stated is just your opinion.
So you say that Venom, Thor, and War Hulk have manhandled Cain? well Venom was nearly killed by Cain, and his fight with Thor was PIS. The reason the fight with Thor was PIS is solely because the comic stated that Juggernauts durability derives from his magic shield which it doesn't. If you've ever read any Marvel comics you'll know that Juggernaut rarely ever uses his magic shield, and his body is in fact the reason he's invulnerable to harm.
The fight with War Hulk, imo is more of a feat for Cain than it is for War. War Hulk was equipped with Celestial implants, was drawing power from two dimensions, and Cain was still able to get in as many hits as War did. Does that not sound like a feat for Cain?
tell me, How Hulk's going to win if he can still be ko'd, killed, get tired?
I never said Juggernaut being stopped while charging or being beaten up physically was logical. I even admitted that. I was just using those as examples to show that Cain has had his low showings as well. It's basically my counter argument to those that bring up the times Hulk has been knocked out before (BTW, just to get this out of the way, Hulk's worse durability showing was getting knocked out by a python).
I can't provide scans or issue #s to prove some of my statements, but they scattered throughout the Hulk's 40+ years of history. He never shows deterioration during a battle; he only remarks he is tired or hungry when he is NOT fighting or even doing anything.
As long as Hulk is fighting, his stamina is boundless. He has fought for days in the past without tiring. Since his system works to make stronger and not the other way around, the same bodily functions that supply his unlimited strength, there is no reason to believe that he would just suddenly and randomly start tiring in the 500th year of his fight with Juggernaut.
Cain's best chance is to take out Hulk at the very beginning of the fight, but considering how slow Juggernaut is, how fast Hulk's physical amping would work, and that Hulk at his base has taken blows from people/things as strong/stronger than Juggernaut, that's not very likely either. And form that point on, Hulk's durability and strength will increase; he wouldn't be too far behind Juggernaut's durability.
If you look at all my previous posts, you'll notice that not ONCE did I say Hulk would. He won't. He can't. But he'll be able to stalemate.
One example of his increasing durability could be when Doc Samson one-shotted a Mindless Hulk. He did it when Hulk was not expecting it,nor when he was angry. However, later, this same Hulk is taking blows from Immortal Hercules, Wonder Man, Iron Man, and Namor (4 Cl100s, each one stronger than Doc Samson) and shrugging them off.
Originally posted by Robtard
You mentioned he beats Wolverine. I was asking how does the movie Juggernaut compare to the comic Juggernaut.1) Back ground, is he magical etc?
2) Powers/Abilities?
Spoiler:
In the movie Juggernaut doesn't seem to be nearly as powerful as his comic counterpart. He is a mutant and it is implied that he has to go to the bathroom and that he can't survive underwater. Before Magneto frees him, he is easily held captive in restraining mechanisms that the movie Thing could probably break out of easily.And no, he doesn't fight Colossus. The only one he really fights is Wolverine.
Originally posted by Accel
Spoilers from the X-Men movie. Don't read if you don't want to be spoiled!Spoiler:
In the movie Juggernaut doesn't seem to be nearly as powerful as his comic counterpart. He is a mutant and it is implied that he has to go to the bathroom and that he can't survive underwater. Before Magneto frees him, he is easily held captive in restraining mechanisms that the movie Thing could probably break out of easily.And no, he doesn't fight Colossus. The only one he really fights is Wolverine.
Overall, the movie is pretty good as long as people don't mind that it isn't exactly like the comics.
Thanks for the input, makes sense though for a movie. Comic Juggernaut wouldn't translate well into live action.
since there is no end to this storyand it seems a lot of juggy fans showed up hulk wins.
I'll post this.
Hulk is the guy that seems the be able to break stuff no other guy can, he can beat the strongest enemy's iff he want's.
Juggy vs hulk.
Hulk would win 9 out of 10 time's ok hulk is not as smart as juggy but would that matter in a fight like this?????
Juggy is way over his head if he wants to fight hulk.