Juggernaut or The Hulk?

Originally posted by batdude123
I thought that was Warrior Madness Thor?

He wasnt in warrior madness when he killed hulk or thing but apart from missing one arm, he was closer to his full strength because he was not inhibited about killing. Warrior madness Thor is just Thor in the process of aquiring full potential. But even warrior madness has stages. For example, in the early stages, even an injured Beta Ray Bill was able to put Thor down, but as his madness increased, Thor was able to utterly overpower both Surfer and Warlock, and then even more astonishingly completely and effortlessly simultaneously overpower Maxam and Power Gem Drax with raw strength. And he still was not completely bloodlusted. He simply KOd them all, took the power gem and left.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
He wasnt in warrior madness when he killed hulk or thing but apart from missing one arm, he was closer to his full strength because he was not inhibited about killing. Warrior madness Thor is just Thor in the process of aquiring full potential. But even warrior madness has stages. For example, in the early stages, even an injured Beta Ray Bill was able to put Thor down, but as his madness increased, Thor was able to utterly overpower both Surfer and Warlock, and then even more astonishingly completely and effortlessly simultaneously overpower Maxam and Power Gem Drax with raw strength. And he still was not completely bloodlusted. He simply KOd them all, took the power gem and left.

Cool! 😄

which book is this image from ?
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e.../page0131kn.jpg

which book is this ?

I already gave you the scan, go back and look

Btw, I think we have cleared up the Hulk having unlimited strength thing.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
During the fight with Onslaught, Jean Grey Blanked Hulks mind and everything, memories, thoughts and all emotions, all that was left was [b]RAGE.

This whole argument of hulk beating juggernaut has been that, hulk could get enough rage that he would eventually be able to harm juggernaut.

Everyone Says hulks strength is limitless, but think about it, If jean Erased everything from his mind to the point where nothing left was rage, wouldn't that make him as strong as he can possibly be, meaning that his strength does in fact have a limit?

Mindless Hulk was a totally different Hulk all together, in which the demon Nightmare bought out banners worst fears of Hulk killing everyone he loved. I wont bother to go into the story of that for you, being a hulk fan, should know already.

Oh yeah, and if you wanna say "Well Hulk and Banner where separated also", that hulk was not mindless, he was soulless, and although he grew physically stronger, his condition was deteriorating, meaning yes, he was dieing, (meaning he can die, he is not immortal).

The Hulk that fought Onslaught, could be classified as something different, more of an Unchained or Unleashed version of the Hulk, for this Hulk was no longer burdened by his mind thinking of other things, all he knew was rage.

100% RAGE

Meaning that in this fight with Onslaught, that should of been all of Hulks so-called limitless strength. But because we still look at his profile, and it says limitless strength by way of anger, people still think he can go father then this.......

Nonsense

Any you know what, he did crack Onslaughts Armor, and physically separate Xavier from Onslaught.

He physically separated a being of pure energy

If anything, you guys should put this Hulk up against Juggy then Savage. [/B]

thar was exactully what i was trying to but i come back here to see that i ws insulted whena hulk fan not me was wrong. at least someone else has some brains.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
I already gave you the scan, go back and look

Btw, I think we have cleared up the Hulk having unlimited strength thing.

who cleared it up?

Originally posted by branhole
who cleared it up?

Branhole you first posted the fact that Hulk was 100% rage. I just backed you.

But I do have something else to add that I was just thinking. Some of the Hulk fans are still going to argue Hulk could get to this level of strength in a Juggernaut Fight.

THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE

You know why? No matter how Mad Hulk would get at juggernaut, his mind would never be 100% Rage, due to the fact he would still have his memories, feelings and emotions still taking up space in his brain.

Remember, the Hulk that did those feats to Onslaught, had only Rage on his mind, nothing else, everything else was wiped away by Jean, and she directed his anger at Onslaught.

i also said that he couldnt reach it because of time. but we seem to be the only ones with sense.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Branhole you first posted the fact that Hulk was 100% rage. I just backed you.

But I do have something else to add that I was just thinking. Some of the Hulk fans are still going to argue Hulk could get to this level of strength in a Juggernaut Fight.

[b]THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE

You know why? No matter how Mad Hulk would get at juggernaut, his mind would never be 100% Rage, due to the fact he would still have his memories, feelings and emotions still taking up space in his brain.

Remember, the Hulk that did those feats to Onslaught, had only Rage on his mind, nothing else, everything else was wiped away by Jean, and she directed his anger at Onslaught. [/B]

You are ignoring the fact that Hulk will always get as strong as he needs to be. He's done things like grabbing matter and anti-matter, which is far more difficult than breaking onslaught's armour. It's just one of Hulk's traits. The escalating anger and his personal desires(Hulk is strongest one there is etc.) will allow him to get the job done.

Nobody's saying Hulk can harm Juggernaut because, unlike some of Juggernaut's mindless fanboys, we do not ignore what's been established for both characters. I know Juggernaut is immortal and stuff. I'm not a dishonest guy and neither are most of Hulk's fans/defenders in this thread.

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Originally posted by branhole
ya but you also said in another thread that hulk was stronger than big g hulk=strenth. that thing does make sense but there is no way he is stronger than big g.

Originally posted by branhole
probably the stronger hulks going to get is when he fought onslaught, because jean brought out all his anger and hows he going to get stronger than that, he didnt even have a brain, how is he going to become strongerwhen he only knows anger. how is he going to become angrier, its impossible and anger does have a limit, the limit would probably be mindless hulk because he didnt know any thing except that he was angry at onslaught, so i dont see how his strenght is infinate.

Originally posted by hulk=strength
that right their proved ur an idiot in everything hulks ever been featured in (handbooks) it says he has potential for unlimited/infinite strength u really need to read up on him, go to yahoo an type in hulks feats of strength an itll take u to hulkmovies.com an ull b educated cause u need it
ps its funny u say that cause out of these 2 hulks definitely the stronger one in comics even juggs has said their physical equals in 172 i think an hulk was bored in that fight so imagine wat a extremely pissed hulk could do 😉

Originally posted by Dinalfos
You are ignoring the fact that Hulk will always get as strong as he needs to be. He's done things like grabbing matter and anti-matter, which is far more difficult than breaking onslaught's armour. It's just one of Hulk's traits. The escalating anger and his personal desires(Hulk is strongest one there is etc.) will allow him to get the job done.

Nobody's saying Hulk can harm Juggernaut because, unlike some of Juggernaut's mindless fanboys, we do not ignore what's been established for both characters. I know Juggernaut is immortal and stuff. I'm not a dishonest guy and neither are most of Hulk's fans/defenders in this thread.

in

It's funny how you call other fanboys, yet you still haven't given us hard evidence on any of the abilities you claim for Hulk to have. Unlimited stamina, durability that increases, durability on par with Juggernauts, immortality, can't be killed(already showed what Thor physically did to Hulk), can't be injured, we have yet to see the proof.

We already know about Hulk and the 50 other characters with unlimited strength, we want proof of your other claims.

I've given my scans countless times, I'm still waiting for yours.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I remember reading Hulk #172. Doesn't Juggernaut say Hulk attack is getting weaker while he was getting stronger?

That shouldn't be possible. But in anyway, when Juggernaut tried and failed to break Hulk's neck, Hulk's body eliminated all fatique poisons and allowed him to overpower Juggernaut by grabbing his helmet and spinning him like crazy.

Either the whole comic was bad writing or the Hulk didn't put his heart into the battle. Because even if the Hulk has less stamina than Juggernaut, he's not supposed to tire THAT quickly.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
It's funny how you call other fanboys, yet you still haven't given us hard evidence on any of the abilities you claim for Hulk to have. Unlimited stamina, durability that increases, durability on par with Juggernauts, immortality, can't be killed(already showed what Thor physically did to Hulk), can't be injured, we have yet to see the proof.

We already know about Hulk and the 50 other characters with unlimited strength, we want proof of your other claims.

I've given my scans countless times, I'm still waiting for yours.

Why do you keep repeating the same fallacious points? Hulk can't be killed by impalement. Period. And I already showed you scans in the other thread. Besides that, you're being intellectually dishonest as always. You what Hulk's abilities are, but you just won't admit it. And posting random scans of Thor facts doesn't prove a single damn thing.

As for the Hulk being unkillable: he's never been killed without either PIS or alternate universes. And boy, did they ever try. I also never said he was immortal.

Edit: and I would love you to post some non-PISified scans of Thor or Juggernaut killing Savage Hulk.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15217&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=307

http://www.hulkmovie.com/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=3177&d=1066360592

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Why do you keep repeating the same fallacious points? Hulk can't be killed by impalement. Period. And I already showed you scans in the other thread. Besides that, you're being intellectually dishonest as always. You what Hulk's abilities are, but you just won't admit it. And posting random scans of Thor facts doesn't prove a single damn thing.

As for the Hulk being unkillable: he's never been killed without either PIS or alternate universes. And boy, did they ever try. I also never said he was immortal.

Edit: and I would love you to post some non-PISified scans of Thor or Juggernaut killing Savage Hulk.

I've already admitted and named all Hulks powers, it's your fault for not reading and responding to everyones post. Thats signs of a poor debater.

Does it matter how Hulk was killed? we don't know what happened, all we know is that Thing and Hulk were physically killed by Thor with one hand. You can't just assume that the only thing Thor did was impale him, because you don't know.

He's never been killed(besides Thor) because he's a major face for Marvel, as Superman is for DC.

You did say that this was a stalemate to the end of time? that implies that Hulk is immortal.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
I've already admitted and named all Hulks powers, it's your fault for not reading and responding to everyones post. Thats signs of a poor debater.

The sign of a poor debater is posting irrelevant pictures or presenting self-made theories as facts. You also seem to have a thing for out of continuity stuff

Does it matter how Hulk was killed? we don't know what happened, all we know is that Thing and Hulk were physically killed by Thor with one hand. You can't just assume that the only thing Thor did was impale him, because you don't know ..

"Because you don't know"

Now you're sounding worse than any fanboy ever could. What kind of argument is that? The scan shows Hulk got impaled. But I'm sure Thor smashed his nutsack with his hammer and sending him flying all around the verse twice before the actual impalement occured 😆

Dude, seriously, Anyone can debate like that.

He's never been killed(besides Thor) because he's a major face for Marvel, as Superman is for DC.

You did say that this was a stalemate to the end of time? that implies that Hulk is immortal. ..

He's never been killed(not by Thor or anyone) because he's pretty much physically unbeatable without PIS. Thor can kill him with his other powers(Juggernaut can't, though), but he hasn't done any more than knocking him out unexpectedly with his lightning. Thus, it remains speculation. And let's not forget that Thor is major Marvel character as well. And he faced more dangerous enemies than Hulk and lived survided them.

Until the end of time is, obviously, hyperbole. Because no fight lasts for eternity. Hell, it may very well be possible that Juggernaut isn't allowed to have his magical powers for enternity. And trust me, Juggernaut won't fight Hulk for eternity, unless he's really, really determined. Hulk can last indefinitely when he sets his mind on something. Hulk's mortality comes in when the adrenaline goes down.