Juggernaut or The Hulk?

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Soujaboy, its useless, you cant argue with these guys, they cant understand a very simple and true fact that....

Hulks Powerset cannot beat Juggernaut

Juggernaust Powerset can beat the Hulk

Its not rocket science ya know.

Originally posted by bigbran
its impossible, especially when hulk=strength was here.
HULKS STRENTH IS NOT UNLIMITED, theres so many things to back this up too.

Originally posted by Accel
He can't beat him, but he can stalemate him. That's the issue I've been arguing this whole time.

Just what things are you referring to any way that prove Hulk doesn't have limitless strength?

It's just crazy to me that you believe that Hulk is gonna stalemate a character who has all the powers he has along with a magic shield, invulnerability to all forms of harm, unlimited stamina, and protection from a uber god.

The fact that "MINDLESS HULK" was the Hulk that we have proved time and again was the limit to Savage Hulk's so called unlimited strength.

You didn't prove a damn thing. You just stated your poorly informed theory as fact. That's all.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
It's just crazy to me that you believe that Hulk is gonna stalemate a character who has all the powers he has along with a magic shield, invulnerability to all forms of harm, unlimited stamina, and protection from a uber god.

The fact that "MINDLESS HULK" was the Hulk that we have proved time and again was the limit to Savage Hulk's so called unlimited strength.

Mindless Hulk was not his limit. We never saw him reach his limit in either his anger OR his strength. Sorry, but you haven't proved his limit becasue you can't show him reaching his limit.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
You didn't prove a damn thing. You just stated your poorly informed theory as fact. That's all.

Thats in the mind of a Hulk fan. I've posted scan after scan in this thread but it doesn't matter. Everyone else seems to agree with me and the comics backs me up. I think your love for the Hulk clouds your judgement.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Thats in the mind of a Hulk fan. I've posted scan after scan in this thread but it doesn't matter. Everyone else seems to agree with me and the comics backs me up. I think your love for the Hulk clouds your judgement.

Originally posted by Accel
Listing Juggernaut's powers over and over again isn't going to magically change my mind. Hulk CAN stalemate him.

Mindless Hulk was not his limit. We never saw him reach his limit in either his anger OR his strength. Sorry, but you haven't proved his limit becasue you can't show him reaching his limit.

Yes I have, the comic clearly states that he was mindless and only felt rage, Thus there went his limit. Just because you refuse to except the facts that were clearly stated in the comic, doesn't mean that it didn't happen or doesn't count.

BTW, no offense but your first statement were the words of a fanboy.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Thats in the mind of a Hulk fan. I've posted scan after scan in this thread but it doesn't matter. Everyone else seems to agree with me and the comics backs me up. I think your love for the Hulk clouds your judgement.

Agree with what? Be specific, you have a tendency to jump from subject to subject to avoid arguments. Where are the scans that prove Mindless Hulk(as in Onslaught-Hulk) was at his rage peak? You just said he was.

And my judgement is far from clouded. I've been way more honest than you, so far. Your hatred for Hulk is so intense that you start questioning common knowledge.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Yes I have, the comic clearly states that he was mindless and only felt rage, Thus there went his limit. Just because you refuse to except the facts that were clearly stated in the comic, doesn't mean that it didn't happen or doesn't count.

BTW, no offense but your first statement were the words of a fanboy.

The Hulk has been mindless before and he still managed to increase his strength with anger.

Besides, Mindless Hulk can't speak, so the Onslaught Hulk wasn't exactly Mindless in the classic sense.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Yes I have, the comic clearly states that he was mindless and only felt rage, Thus there went his limit. Just because you refuse to except the facts that were clearly stated in the comic, doesn't mean that it didn't happen or doesn't count.

BTW, no offense but your first statement were the words of a fanboy.

Unlike some fanboys who just say "Hulk will win! He's the strongest one there is!" I actually put reasoning in my posts as to WHY I believe Hulk would stalemate him. I never JUSt said it would be a draw, but I also put some thought in to why I believe so. I've already covered why I believe this is a draw.

Originally posted by Accel
What scan are you referring to? The one where he's killed by King Thor? I've already established why he can't logically die that way.

No, I'm talking about all the scans I've posted. The scans of Juggernauts powers, the scans of Hulk being ko'd by Namor, and yea even the scans of Thor physically killing Hulk. In the mind of the Hulks fans, these feats really don't matter, because when there posted there is some kind of excuse.

It's also been logically established that if you overload Hulk with pain, he can die.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Agree with what? Be specific, you have a tendency to jump from subject to subject to avoid arguments. Where are the scans that prove Mindless Hulk(as in Onslaught-Hulk) was at his rage peak? You just said he was.

And my judgement is far from clouded. I've been way more honest than you, so far. Your hatred for Hulk is so intense that you start questioning common knowledge.

Look back in the last 20 or so pages of this thread, and tell me what I have said that I haven't backed?

My hatred for Hulk derives from the ignorance of Hulk fans.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Look back in the last 20 or so pages of this thread, and tell me what I have said that I haven't backed?

My hatred for Hulk derives from the ignorance of Hulk fans.

Start with Onslaught thing. You just gave your biased interpretation of some scans.

Your hatred for Hulk derives from your Juggernaut fanboyism.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
No, I'm talking about all the scans I've posted. The scans of Juggernauts powers, the scans of Hulk being ko'd by Namor, and yea even the scans of Thor physically killing Hulk. In the mind of the Hulks fans, these feats really don't matter, because when there posted there is some kind of excuse.

It's also been logically established that if you overload Hulk with pain, he can die.

Every one has their good days and their bad days and Hulk is no exception. I assume we're talking about Hulk on one of his better days.

Also, it's never been established that Hulk can die from an overload of pain. The guy's walked through a matter repeller ray and been reduced to atoms fro God's sakes. I don't know where you heard that before.

Originally posted by Accel
I already know Cain's powers, but that doesn't change my mind. Here's the thing though: Hulk has been beaten by guys like Iron man and Namro, true, but why do we ignore his higher showings? He's also beaten beings far more powerful than either of those two, performed feats of strength that dwarf most people's, and yet some can't look beyond the fact that he was beaten by Namor or Iron Man.

Every one has their good days and their bad days and Hulk is no exception. I assume we're talking about Hulk on one of his better days.

Also, it's never been established that Hulk can die from an overload of pain. The guy's walked through a matter repeller ray and been reduced to atoms fro God's sakes. I don't know where you heard that before.

*Hands you a map to the last 30 pages*

You are argueing points that have already been proven fact, by Other Hulk fans also, in the last 30 pages, go read them.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
*Hands you a map to the last 30 pages*

You are argueing points that have already been proven fact, by Other Hulk fans also, in the last 30 pages, go read them.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Look back in the last 20 or so pages of this thread, and tell me what I have said that I haven't backed?

My hatred for Hulk derives from the ignorance of Hulk fans.

What about the ignorance of Hulk opposers? Hating the character will not benefit you. Gain knowledge of the character, and you will be capable of making a valid argument.

The Hulk has never been able to die. Bruce Banner has attempted suicide enough times to know.

The Hulk has no limit to his rage (as stated by writers and editors alike, check Marvel.com) and thus his strength is potentially limitless.

Juggernaut cannot be harmed.

This fight is a draw, just like every encounter on even territory of Hulk and Juggernaut to date.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
No, I'm talking about all the scans I've posted. The scans of Juggernauts powers, the scans of Hulk being ko'd by Namor, and yea even the scans of Thor physically killing Hulk. In the mind of the Hulks fans, these feats really don't matter, because when there posted there is some kind of excuse.

It's also been logically established that if you overload Hulk with pain, he can die.

It's not that they don't matter. They do.

The Hulk has inconsistencies like every other character. Including Juggy.

The Rhino once drove his horn into Juggernaut's chest, causing him grave injury, massive loss of blood, and nearly killing him.

Every character has bad showings.

Hulk has been beaten by Namor, but he's also beaten Galaxy Master, a being on the level of Imperiex.

Inconsistencies happen.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
It's not that they don't matter. They do.

The Hulk has inconsistencies like every other character. Including Juggy.

The Rhino once drove his horn into Juggernaut's chest, causing him grave injury, massive loss of blood, and nearly killing him.

Every character has bad showings.

Hulk has been beaten by Namor, but he's also beaten Galaxy Master, a being on the level of Imperiex.

Inconsistencies happen.