Juggernaut or The Hulk?

Started by Accel486 pages

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
okay then let's say we don't know any of their feats what do you think? who is stronger? a big green guy who gets his power from gamma radiation ? or the other who gets his power from a god?

I would go for the guy who has better strength feats...

Originally posted by Accel
Class 100 means one can lift from 100 tons to infinity. Thor is also listed at Class 100.

Read my last post.

Originally posted by Dinalfos

Juggernaut is also class 100. And a cosmic powered Superman with Cyttorak's power + War gem + GL ring would still be class 100.

No he would be a 100 +

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
The Hulk's strength has never been measured in comics. Bios are irrelevant, as none of them are official, with the exception of Marvel.com.

Class 100 is everything from 100 to infinity.

Juggernaut is class 100.

Please , don't play the 'Their strength has never been measured in comics' thing . It's annoying and petty .

Comics are made for their entertainment value , not for stating facts. Thats why the handbooks were created. Unfortunately the idiots can't even asses their own characters correctly.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Heck, If you want to go off Marvel.com, it says nothing about his stamina, it makes the situation worse for Hulk.....

The fact that his stamina is not mentioned in Marvel.com's bio negates his feats in comics?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
The fact that his stamina is not mentioned in Marvel.com's bio negates his feats in comics?

Stamina and Durability are Two Different Things, Hulk has Shown amazing Feats of Durability I will admit.

But even he cannot go on forever. Think About it....

Savage hulk got KO'd by Rhino who couldn't even handle depowered juggernaut

Originally posted by grey fox
Read my last post.

No he would be a 100 +

Please , don't play the 'Their strength has never been measured in comics' thing . It's annoying and petty .

Comics are made for their entertainment value , not for stating facts. Thats why the handbooks were created. Unfortunately the idiots can't even asses their own characters correctly.

Annoying? Petty?

Using non-canon sources is against forum policy, thank you.

Comics are made for entertainment value?! Aren't comics the substance of this very forum?

Wouldn't an actual even in a comic be mor tentative than the statistics in a bio?

I don't understand you at all.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Wrong. If that were true, Juggernaut could not lift more than 100 tons. Neither could Thor.

Regardless the Hulk's base strength is immeasurable, as it has never been measured. Unofficial bios that state otherwise are merely guestimates, and are not accurate.

It still doesn't matter. Jugg's has been stated as 'Inacuable' , both in comics (If you want to play it that way) and out .

Hulk (like everything of the earthly world) has a limit. You can only get so angry and so strong.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Savage hulk got KO'd by Rhino who couldn't even handle depowered juggernaut

That's interesting. When was this?

Originally posted by grey fox
It still doesn't matter. Jugg's has been stated as 'Inacuable' , both in comics (If you want to play it that way) and out .

Hulk (like everything of the earthly world) has a limit. You can only get so angry and so strong.


And Hulk ws stated by the Leader and the Beyonder to be an 'infinity of power.'

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Annoying? Petty?

Using non-canon sources is against forum policy, thank you.

Comics are made for entertainment value?! Aren't comics the substance of this very forum?

Wouldn't an actual even in a comic be mor tentative than the statistics in a bio?

I don't understand you at all.

What i mean by entertainment value is that their stories, sure fights and various feats are cool and play well into the characters abilities and mythos . But stories aren't specifically made to analyze a characters powers and abilities.

And where have i mentioned a non-canon source .

Originally posted by grey fox
It still doesn't matter. Jugg's has been stated as 'Inacuable' , both in comics (If you want to play it that way) and out .

Hulk (like everything of the earthly world) has a limit. You can only get so angry and so strong.

The Hulk has been stated an innumerable number of times to be an "infinity of power" and having "strength without limits." There's no comparison. In feats, bios, and reputation, Hulk is shown to be stronger than Juggy.

Comics state that there is no limit to the Hulk's anger. Therefore your theory is invalid.

Originally posted by grey fox
What i mean by entertainment value is that their stories, sure fights and various feats are cool and play well into the characters abilities and mythos . But stories aren't specifically made to analyze a characters powers and abilities.

And where have i mentioned a non-canon source .

The exact purpose of stories is to evaluate and exhibit a characters abilities.

Originally posted by grey fox
Yes it has. Several times. 8/10 profiles state that Savage Hulk starts off at class 100 and grows stronger from that.

Are these profiles that you refer to canon?

Originally posted by Accel
And Hulk ws stated by the Leader and the Beyonder to be an 'infinity of power.'

A. We don't accept what characters say as solid fact.

B. Beyonder is full of shit , he thought a human couldn't hurt him. Look where that got him..(FYI : Drained by Doom and Killed by MM)

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Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
The Hulk has been stated an innumerable number of times to be an "infinity of power" and having "strength without limits." There's no comparison. In feats, bios, and reputation, Hulk is shown to be stronger than Juggy.

Comics state that there is no limit to the Hulk's anger. Therefore your theory is invalid.

Thats Fine Cosmic, I don't care how strong hulk is, he will never hurt Juggernaut. But Hulk will tire, His stamina is not unlimited.

You still didn't proved my proof, and I don't want Theory's either.

Originally posted by grey fox
What i mean by entertainment value is that their stories, sure fights and various feats are cool and play well into the characters abilities and mythos . But stories aren't specifically made to analyze a characters powers and abilities.

And where have i mentioned a non-canon source .


We usually go by stories to determine a character's feats. If we just limit ourselves to what the Handbooks say, then we'd scream PIS every time Namor lifted something more than 85 tons.

The handbooks and bios are good for giving newbies the general ideas of characters, but they don't alway accurately display the character.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
The exact purpose of stories is to evaluate and exhibit a characters abilities.

Story -

narrative: a message that tells the particulars of an act or occurrence or course of events; presented in writing or drama or cinema or as a radio or television program; "his narrative was interesting"; "Disney's stories entertain adults as well as children"

a piece of fiction that narrates a chain of related events; "he writes stories for the magazines"

floor: a structure consisting of a room or set of rooms at a single position along a vertical scale; "what level is the office on?"
history: a record or narrative description of past events; "a history of France"; "he gave an inaccurate account of the plot to kill the president"; "the story of exposure to lead"

report: a short account of the news; "the report of his speech"; "the story was on the 11 o'clock news"; "the account of his speech that was given on the evening news made the governor furious"

fib: a trivial lie; "he told a fib about eating his spinach"; "how can I stop my child from telling stories?"

hulk getting KO'd by RHINO
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Originally posted by grey fox
Story -

narrative: a message that tells the particulars of an act or occurrence or course of events; presented in writing or drama or cinema or as a radio or television program; "his narrative was interesting"; "Disney's stories entertain adults as well as children"
a piece of fiction that narrates a chain of related events; "he writes stories for the magazines"
floor: a structure consisting of a room or set of rooms at a single position along a vertical scale; "what level is the office on?"
history: a record or narrative description of past events; "a history of France"; "he gave an inaccurate account of the plot to kill the president"; "the story of exposure to lead"
report: a short account of the news; "the report of his speech"; "the story was on the 11 o'clock news"; "the account of his speech that was given on the evening news made the governor furious"
fib: a trivial lie; "he told a fib about eating his spinach"; "how can I stop my child from telling stories?"

Wow. Are you doing this on purpose?

Originally posted by grey fox
A. We don't accept what characters say as solid fact.

B. Beyonder is full of shit , he thought a human couldn't hurt him. Look where that got him..(FYI : Drained by Doom and Killed by MM)


Well, he DID measure Hulk's power using his own power, so I'd say he had a better idea than most others. What does his cockiness have to do with anything?