Do I really have to keep acting like S.H.I.E.L.D up in this piece?
All I seem to do is whoop.
Now listen, Vash and Nataku. I don't know who you think you are to come in and start calling people idiots when neither of you will be winning the "Forum's smartest" award anytime soon.
Let's do an equal sum up:
Juggernaut: Insane strength although limited, incredible durability, no need for any kind of sustinance, mystically derived regeneration to UNKNOWN limits, temporary forcefield, vulnerable to psychic attack with or without helmet as proven by...erm....Psylocke.
^^^This all being his regular display of feats, not one offs.
Hulk: Unlimited Strength, very high durability, capable of running at speeds of over 500mph, extremely agile and capable of leaping over 3 miles horizontally and out of the atmosphere vertically, unchartered regenerative and healing capabilities (has once held his own innards together, healed over his hand, ripped it out then healed again. Also healed from being blasted by a ray capable of punching a whole through the Earth), immune to all toxins and diseases including AIDS, immune to psychic control.
Now.....I admit that I'm not MADLY knowledged on Juggernaut but I think it's safe to say that he hasn't got a patch on Hulk's potential.
Juggernaut is not unkillable or undefeatable. Neither is Hulk.
Everyone apart from Bucky, sidekick to Capt.A, has died and returned. This includes Juggernaut.
Come back when you can formulate a real debate. Getting a little tired of whooping people.
-AC
Juggernaut has uncharted strength, you forgot that. At best it would be a stalemate simply because neither can defeat the other! Juggernaut doesn't even need solid ground to walk, he has shown he can walk on the air itself (Check the site vash linked to) It would only end when Juggernaut himself gave up or some random even gave someone the advantage.
Show me where Juggernaut died by non-celestial means.
"Juggernaut has uncharted strength, you forgot that. At best it would be a stalemate simply because neither can defeat the other! Juggernaut doesn't even need solid ground to walk, he has shown he can walk on the air itself (Check the site vash linked to) It would only end when Juggernaut himself gave up or some random even gave someone the advantage.
Show me where Juggernaut died by non-celestial means."
I never forgot. He just doesn't have uncharted strength. Just alot of it. Jesus could walk on air, I doubt he'd beat The Hulk. Irrelevant.
Secondly, I said Juggernaut died didn't I? I never mentioned how. He has died either way. Making him killable. Who are you to claim none can defeat the other, Hulk could beat Juggernaut. How anyone can claim otherwise is strange. I'm not even saying he'd win each and everytime, but he'd beat him. Stop getting facts from the net, read comics.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Juggernaut: Insane strength although limited, incredible durability, no need for any kind of sustinance, mystically derived regeneration to UNKNOWN limits, temporary forcefield, vulnerable to psychic attack with or without helmet as proven by...erm....Psylocke.^^^This all being his regular display of feats, not one offs.
well, although i agree juggernaut has a cap on his strength, it hasnt been shown. just like hulks. the forcefield is probably just as long lasting as he wills it to be. i dunno where you get off saying "temporary". have you ever seen it short out, or shut off?? i think not. unless you count the time when thor negated juggernauts mystical energy. but is hulk capable of that??? no. actually psylocke only broke through his helmet with her physic knifes in the onslaught story arc...... which is crap. but again, that is perfectly acceptable because psions are juggernauts big downfall.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Hulk: Unlimited Strength, very high durability, capable of running at speeds of over 500mph, extremely agile and capable of leaping over 3 miles horizontally and out of the atmosphere vertically, unchartered regenerative and healing capabilities (has once held his own innards together, healed over his hand, ripped it out then healed again. Also healed from being blasted by a ray capable of punching a whole through the Earth), immune to all toxins and diseases including AIDS, immune to psychic control.
but even though hulk has leaping abilities, i doubt it would help him in a fight, unless he was running away. his durability would fall well short of juggernauts i'm sure. plus holding in your insides and regenerating nearly your entire body are 2 different leagues of regeneration. juggernauts was instantly when his magics had returned. how long did hulk take to heal his stomach???? just his stomach. juggernaut too is immune to all diseases toxins gasses and everything else mentioned except psychic control. he has to have some weakness, do you want everybody dead??
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Now.....I admit that I'm not MADLY knowledged on Juggernaut but I think it's safe to say that he hasn't got a patch on Hulk's potential.
i dont think he has any more potential than juggernaut does.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Juggernaut is not unkillable or undefeatable. Neither is Hulk.
agreed, except i dont think either is killable without there being extreme circumstances involved.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Everyone apart from Bucky, sidekick to Capt.A, has died and returned. This includes Juggernaut.
Juggernaut has never been killed.....unless you count "the end" where thanos destroys everything.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Come back when you can formulate a real debate. Getting a little tired of whooping people.
i thought i would reply to this one, because it actually had information in it..... well a little.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"Juggernaut has uncharted strength, you forgot that. At best it would be a stalemate simply because neither can defeat the other! Juggernaut doesn't even need solid ground to walk, he has shown he can walk on the air itself (Check the site vash linked to) It would only end when Juggernaut himself gave up or some random even gave someone the advantage.Show me where Juggernaut died by non-celestial means."
I never forgot. He just doesn't have uncharted strength. Just alot of it. Jesus could walk on air, I doubt he'd beat The Hulk. Irrelevant.
Secondly, I said Juggernaut died didn't I? I never mentioned how. He has died either way. Making him killable. Who are you to claim none can defeat the other, Hulk could beat Juggernaut. How anyone can claim otherwise is strange. I'm not even saying he'd win each and everytime, but he'd beat him. Stop getting facts from the net, read comics.
-AC
Now you're just babbling because you can't prove me wrong. Juggernaut DOES have uncharted strength, because they've never measured just how far his strength can go. Relevant as we don't know if he can match Hulk.
Juggernaut CAN'T die by normal means. He's survived with only his skeleton remaining. I know damn well Hulk can't do that, Wolverine has put up a fight against Hulk and I know Juggernaut can do much more.
Sorry I don't have access to 10+ year old comics. I get most of my info from people who DO own the comics, thank you very much.
"well, although i agree juggernaut has a cap on his strength, it hasnt been shown. just like hulks. "
Yes but this is because you refuse to accept that Hulk has unlimited strength.
"unless you count the time when thor negated juggernauts mystical energy. but is hulk capable of that??? no. actually psylocke only broke through his helmet with her physic knifes in the onslaught story arc...... which is crap"
A) I counted that, yes.
B) Nope he isn't. But you know as well as I do that Juggernaut is an egomaniac. He will wanna prove he is pound for pound, stronger. It would eat him up if he thought he won through one-sided means. Which is even then debatable.
C) As you said, psions are Juggernaut's weakness but Psylocke is hardly a walking mountain of muscle. She still managed to do it.
"plus holding in your insides and regenerating nearly your entire body are 2 different leagues of regeneration. juggernauts was instantly when his magics had returned. how long did hulk take to heal his stomach???? just his stomach."
I don't remember it taking too long to be honest.
"i dont think he has any more potential than juggernaut does. "
With all due respect, you don't believe in Hulk's unlimited strength though, so swings and roundabouts I guess.
"Juggernaut has never been killed.....unless you count "the end" where thanos destroys everything."
Well that counts coz Juggernaut was in that comic. Secondly, killed and died are two different things.
"i thought i would reply to this one, because it actually had information in it..... well a little."
This wasn't aimed at you. Despite some of the outrageously silly things I BELIEVE you have said, I find it impressive that you've carried this debate near enough on your own.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Now listen, Vash and Nataku. I don't know who you think you are to come in and start calling people idiots when neither of you will be winning the "Forum's smartest" award anytime soon.
I never called anyone an idiot. I don't know where you got that from.
Hulk's strength might be unlimited.. but just because we've never seen it's limit does not make it unlimited. There may infact be a point where he can't get any madder. Also, just how mad can one person get? Can anyone get infinitely mad? 😠 Sure you can get mad, and the madder.. but there's a limit to that really, once you're mad enough to start hitting things, that's pretty much it. I don't know where the Hulk's creators came up with this concept that a person could just keep getting madder because his opponent didn't fall down the first time he hit them.
Hulk hits something, it didn't explode. Hulk gets madder, hits it harder.. no explosion.. madder.. hit, nothing, madder, hit, nothing, repeat a billion times.. oh.. finally the thing he was trying to break eventually broke.
Someone getting endlessly mad.. would have some high blood pressure from all the stress, he'd likely have a stroke from a blood vessel popping in his green head if he got that mad. It's kind of ridiculous how abstract his power is.
But when he fights someone like Juggernaut, it doesn't matter how mad or strong he gets, all his power is physical, and Juggernaut's power litteraly makes him immune to physical harm. Thus, Hulk's strength is moot. But since more people like Hulk, and since Hulk is the good guy, he has to win, no matter what. If Juggernaut was the hero and Hulk the villian, Juggernaut would win. It's as simple as that.
Is this topic that complicated that it is over 700 post! I love Juggernaut just as much as the next man ....err maybe not as much as (Juggernaughtfan)But Dammit i like the hulk as well. I think it should be well known that Hulk's strength outclasses Juggernaut. Nowhere does it say Juggy has an adrenaline surge providing near limitless strength like Hulk's. Still Juggernaut is Near indestructible which to me say's hulk would have a hard time hurting him.
The Hulk can BEAT Juggernaut if beating were to slow or temporarily stop him i.e buried under a mountain. Someone once STOPPED Juggy by burying him under cement "if memory serves" sure he got out but it took a while.
Alpha centauri and Juggernaughtfan both have valid points and defend their beliefs according. But as i said before The writers write according to their needs and will "push" either one of those characters over the other to further the story or support a story arch. Both Characters are awesome let's leave it to the writers to determine a outcome!
out of the atmosphere....as in.....off the planet. In space...etc.
There is no walking and no leaping that can be done. You float...weightlessly.
and if either of them left the atmosphere with any amount of speed...it would only multiply once they reach outter space.
Like to see Juggernaut "walk back" to the Earth while he's steadily increasing speed from a few hundred miles an hour to several thousand miles per hour.
bye bye Earth...
Yes but how long can hulk hold his breath. since this would be the key factor in desiding who has the biggerweakness. juggernaunt doesnt seem to even need ot breathe. he walks under water for god's sake. he was buried under cement. and still eventually got out. hulk on the other hand has lost battles with namor under water.
*brings up a lot of boyancy issues btw.. hulk weight moee but can float at least. jugs weighs leess and he an can walk under water....must be a magic thing*
on the other hand hulk's no where as near as vunerable to mind attack as the juggernaunt. although hulk has no way of personally attacking jugg's mind it's a valid weakness to bring up if you want to go *** for tat.
just my 3 cents.
The spell of unstoppability. It allowed Juggernaut several times in the past to walk on a telekenetic field as though it were a physical surface, he had no leverage and no footing, but he walked. His forcefield can cancle out the force of interia.. that may aid him in slowing himself down if flying through space. And it is also said that Juggernaut is the only force that can stop himself. If he really wanted to stop, he would, thousands of miles an hour through weightless space or not. And if he really wanted to move.. he would. I 've no doubt he could find a way to walk on nothing at all if he just went through the motions. One foot in front of the other. His power is magical afterall, doesn't have to be physically possible for him to do it. Hulk however.. he'd die if he got hurled into space like that, he's still gotta breath afterall, and I think the vacuum of space might just cause him to explode unlike the Juggernaut.
Juggernaut's powers once allowed him to reach through an astral form and pull the physical body of Xavier across a city right into his hands. His power was once subconsciously appliefied to the point he could rend the very fabric of space with his hands. If he wanted to.. and I mean.. REALLY wanted to. He could punch a hole in space and make a worm hole straight back to Earth and land ontop of Hulk.
I know it sounds ridiculous.. but I bet he could do it if he had to.