Originally posted by DigiMark007Just do it Digi I mean honestly as you've said this has gone on for years it will go one for another couple of years as well.
I could, but at this point it would never approach the epic count that it should be at given the length of this thread. It just doesn't seem worth it anymore.
Originally posted by TheDecider
I have read the posts in this thread many times and i believe Juggernaut would win this. First of all Juggernaut cannot be hurt physcially which is the only weapon Hulk has. Yes War-Hulk did stop Juggernaut but that was with the strength of two universes. Now stopping him is one thing but hurting him would take a vast amount of even more strength which i believe Hulk would never be able to achieve. He has the potential to have unlimited strength yes but it is not truly unlimited because it is based on anger. Anger is an emotion that has limits. If anger was unlimited then his strength would be truly unlimited. Juggernauts strength has never been truly tested where had to try hard to do something. At one point (correct me) I know that Hulk was in some sort of metal box or something like that and then was teleported out and somehow Juggernaut got teleported in. Now Hulk had been raging for i believe 3 days without causing a dent. Juggernaut instantly caused dents. Now with that in mind if someone with Juggernauts strength were to hit him it would not damage him at all. So even if they were fighting for past a day, which i believe in most cases Juggernaut would have killed or KOed him before that, then his strength would still have to increase beyond that of war-hulk to stop him then probably hundreds of times greater than that just to hurt him which he could regenerate from. Again i say anger limits his strength. Some people will argue that it really is limitless, ok fine lets say it is. It could take years and years for him to reach this level and i think it has been proved that Hulk fatigues and in no way could possibly fight for more than a year. After all of this I say Juggernaut wins 10/10 with a tough fight everytime and Hulk dying of fatigue or in the first day.
Hulk's anger has no limits, this particular fact has been stated in a large amount of Hulk comics. The child-like Hulk would not fatigue or give up...eventually he'd become angry enough to win.
In Venom: The Madness Venom severely beat the Juggernaut who actually ended up running away saying that he wasn't being payed enough to take so much abuse. The argument that Venom was augmented is meaningless, because by that time the mercury was dying. Furthermore there is no way the mercury could have enhanced him..it's mercury...capable of thought, but still mercury. Also this shows that Juggy is not completely invincible as he was hurt by Venom. I know some of you will probably dismiss this, because it happened in a Venom comic, but it is still canon nonetheless.
Originally posted by partiallyinsane
In Venom: The Madness Venom severely beat the Juggernaut who actually ended up running away saying that he wasn't being payed enough to take so much abuse. The argument that Venom was augmented is meaningless, because by that time the mercury was dying. Furthermore there is no way the mercury could have enhanced him..it's mercury...capable of thought, but still mercury. Also this shows that Juggy is not completely invincible as he was hurt by Venom. I know some of you will probably dismiss this, because it happened in a Venom comic, but it is still canon nonetheless.
And Juggernaut Withstands Godforce blasts 3 times week and twice on Sundays.......
You missed the point of that comic, Once venom was amped up, he could of held his own against anybody in the Marvel universe, it was completely up to the writer at that point, he could be as strong as the writer wanted him to be, in this case, strong enough to take on Juggernaut.
Juggernaut doesnt need to instantly KO the Hulk to win this because even if hulk raged and raged he could not possibly reach the strength to hurt juggernaut. War-hulk only stopped the juggernaut and that was with two universes of strength. Like i said, it would take way more strength than that to even begin to hurt him and he would regenerate. This strength could take decades to attain. Show me that Hulk can fight for years without food or water and just live off adrenline for that long. I know he can live weeks or months maybe off of adreniline but i doubt years. And after so much pain Juggernaut will be giving him during the fight I would expect him to revert to banner. One more thing i thought about. Cytorrak controls Juggernauts strength by giving him more power. Do you think he would want to see his avatar get knocked around? I think he would just give him all the strength he would need to win this.
Originally posted by TheDecider
Juggernaut doesnt need to instantly KO the Hulk to win this because even if hulk raged and raged he could not possibly reach the strength to hurt juggernaut. War-hulk only stopped the juggernaut and that was with two universes of strength. Like i said, it would take way more strength than that to even begin to hurt him and he would regenerate. This strength could take decades to attain. Show me that Hulk can fight for years without food or water and just live off adrenline for that long. I know he can live weeks or months maybe off of adreniline but i doubt years. And after so much pain Juggernaut will be giving him during the fight I would expect him to revert to banner. One more thing i thought about. Cytorrak controls Juggernauts strength by giving him more power. Do you think he would want to see his avatar get knocked around? I think he would just give him all the strength he would need to win this.
Also, Cyttorak lending Juggernaut more power would basically count as 'outside help.'