Juggernaut or The Hulk?

Originally posted by newjak86
Just like they would state that he had overpowered him and not some how when Hulk gets angry they would have actually stated it.

Basically based on the fight I can tell Cain wasn't taking it seriously there is no sign of him really putting forth everything he had like you have admitted. Cain basically throughout the fight is basically in LaLa land talking about this and that and how Hulk just doesn't understand he is unhurtable.

there is nothing to support Hulk overpowering Cain like you said however as you've stated there is proof that enither one was really going all out in this fight because.

A) Hulk was pretty Calm

B) Cain wasn't being Hurt by Hulk at all and his attacks seemed to be doing fine

A+B=C

C) Is Juggs not really putting everything he has meaning he really was Off Guard when Hulk caught him by surpride with a sudden increase in strength.

I mean his reaction to it is all that is needed.
When it happened he wasn't like wait how did that happen I thought I was so much stronger than this guy guess I was wrong. No he was basically yeah whatever you still don't understand that I'm unstoppable right 🙄

Everything was already said. I’ve given counter arguments to any of those points. I’ve also expressed my standpoint on Hulk’s durability, Juggernaut’s invulnerability, the holding back/not holding back etc. etc. No offense, but let me know if you have something new.

I will say this, though: Maybe Juggernaut is too stubborn to admit that he was bested in strength, during the match? It seem more like Juggernaut was trying to comfort himself. Almost as if he we’re saying “Yeah, you bested me, but I’m the Juggernaut, *****! Nothing can stop me and nothing ever will! So there, I feel better now!”.

Thats true to a sense. He does like to have good fights but what Hulk was giving him at the time was anything but a good fight. And Cain does pull his punches alot especially against the likes of weaker people as he doesn't see them as worth his time.

He was giving him a good fight, until Hulk casually knocked him out of sight, thinking(wanting) the battle to be over. After that, he jumped on top of him. Besides, that match wasn’t the first time they met. Hours before the fight, they were teaming up. Juggernaut knew his abilities. And couldn’t have held back. He may be cocky enough to not go all out, but he didn’t pull his punches. Mostly because he know full well that Hulk isn’t physically weaker than him at all.

Look at the X-Men all he ever does is throw them out of his way becasue they keep getting in his way. But when he stops playing around(Because they had hurt Black Tom) what does he do he puts them all down with one Thunder Clap. Heck even with his fight with Thor the first time he spends most of his time laughing at Thor and making fun of him and his attacks.

That's all nice, but Thor should be able to easily hold his own against him.

Colossus can hold his own against Juggernaut, Thor can hold his own against Hulk. Hulk can cream Colossus. Juggernaut.....etc. etc. Warped logic this may be, but if that's what you're going by....

Dammit, I was supposed to have quit.

Originally posted by grimside
the juggernant can been kill. he get his power from a gem. hulk get his from pure rage juggernaut can't get any stronger and he's been stop before by weaker mutant then him to stop hulk you gotta be like superman level to stop hulk. to beat juggernaunt give him a math problem then sucker punch him when he ain't looking. beside gladiotor threw juggernaunt across ocean and cause him to forget who he was. the blob is stronger then the juggernaunt. yo juggernant can't stop hulk the hulk has like too many level, like war hulk, savage hulk. Please if hulk turn into savage hulk juggernant would wet his pants.

"the blob is stronger then the juggernaut."

Your entire statement became completely false as soon as you that.

i dont get how strength is even a factor.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Everything was already said. I’ve given counter arguments to any of those points. I’ve also expressed my standpoint on Hulk’s durability, Juggernaut’s invulnerability, the holding back/not holding back etc. etc. No offense, but let me know if you have something new.

I will say this, though: Maybe Juggernaut is too stubborn to admit that he was bested in strength, during the match? It seem more like Juggernaut was trying to comfort himself. Almost as if he we’re saying “Yeah, you bested me, but I’m the Juggernaut, *****! Nothing can stop me and nothing ever will! So there, I feel better now!”.

He was giving him a good fight, until Hulk casually knocked him out of sight, thinking(wanting) the battle to be over. After that, he jumped on top of him. Besides, that match wasn’t the first time they met. Hours before the fight, they were teaming up. Juggernaut knew his abilities. And couldn’t have held back. He may be cocky enough to not go all out, but he didn’t pull his punches. Mostly because he know full well that Hulk isn’t physically weaker than him at all.

That's all nice, but Thor should be able to easily hold his own against him.

Colossus can hold his own against Juggernaut, Thor can hold his own against Hulk. Hulk can cream Colossus. Juggernaut.....etc. etc. Warped logic this may be, but if that's what you're going by....

Secondly Colossus never Hangs with Juggs he manages to sometimes use his speed and agaility and smaller size to get a small adavanage but he never hangs with Cain in fistocuffs. In fact the first time Cain actually hit him he went down like a sack of bricks so your idea is flawed as Colossus never gives Cain a decent fight and never holds his own.

Originally posted by newjak86
Thats right he was comforting himself that he got thrown especially when he seemed ready to go and still attack him without a second thought.

Nice. He would've attacked Hulk from behind again? Funny, If his mask didn't flip off, Juggernaut would be out of sight for a LONG, LONG while. I'm not counting that as battlefield removal, ofcourse, but it is funny.

qhy should that be true at all. Thor can't hurt him with anything and Cain has just as myuch strength if not more why should he be worried about Thor.

Huring =/= holding your own. Big difference. Thor is strong enough to send him flying or prove his match in a strength test.

But if Colossus with deeply inferior strength can knock him flat a few times, eventough he gets up immediately, then Thor can do it easier. He's faster and much, much stronger than Colossus.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Secondly Colossus never Hangs with Juggs he manages to sometimes use his speed and agaility and smaller size to get a small adavanage but he never hangs with Cain in fistocuffs. In fact the first time Cain actually hit him he went down like a sack of bricks so your idea is flawed as Colossus never gives Cain a decent fight and never holds his own. [/B]

But if Colossus with deeply inferior strength can knock him flat a few times, eventough he gets up immediately, then Thor can do it easier. He's faster and much, much stronger than Colossus. [/B][/QUOTE] He does it a few times as well when he has back up to help him distract Cain. The only real one one match they had Colossus was able to avoid Cain some but he never knocked Cain down or fazed him at all. same thing with Thor he could push Cain around if Cain was busy say fighting someone else. But the truth is whenever he fights these people one on one they really don't faze him at all maybe knock him around a little but nothing big.

Originally posted by newjak86
But if Colossus with deeply inferior strength can knock him flat a few times, eventough he gets up immediately, then Thor can do it easier. He's faster and much, much stronger than Colossus.

You mean they don't hurt/injure him? That's a given. But Thor really SHOULD prove a match for him in terms of pure strength.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
You mean they don't hurt/injure him? That's a given. But Thor really SHOULD prove a match for him in terms of pure strength.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
I know, but if Juggernaut was fighting all out, he would of known Hulk would just heal from that broken neck any, and hit him with a massive Uppercut, or Right hook instead.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
😕

I just said he never would of even tried to break his neck because he would of just healed from it........what does your post have to do with Hulk getting hit with a massive Uppercut instead, which more then likely would of KO'ed him, he was weakened in just two blows.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
So then my argument is correct, a non-enraged, to a moderatly enrage Hulk can be Ko'ed.

Thanks for clearing that up.

And Stranger has endured Hulks assults, twice, and couldnt handle a single punch from juggernaut, and Thing couldnt handle a couple when he went toe-to-toe with Hulk for an extended period of time, so........

Originally posted by Sea King
i dont get how strength is even a factor.

Originally posted by bigbran
it isnt, but lets not forget that juggs is very strong, we dont even know his limit.
but when a guy kos stranger with one hit, you got to wonder...

If you go back a few pages, according to Dinaflos, "it doesnt mean much"

Seriously, I couldnt believe I had read it.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
If you go back a few pages, according to Dinaflos, "it doesnt mean much"

Seriously, I couldnt believe I had read it.

I can't believe you read that either. Then again, you have shown yourself to be a poor reader before. But that seems to be the case with a lot of Juggernaut fans.

It doesn't really matter, though. You've already decided what you want to read, anyway.

Um... Juggernaut.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
I can't believe you read that either. Then again, you have shown yourself to be a poor reader before. But that seems to be the case with a lot of Juggernaut fans.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
It doesn't really matter, though. You've already decided what you want to read, anyway.

No I didn't, I read the post you posted, in which you said in your own words,

"The reason why Hulk doesn't defeat thing in once punch is because it would be a classic battle, You as a Hulk fan would not want to see that, it doesn't mean much. "

Your basically implying that because Juggernaut was a villain, KOing the likes of thing, and Stranger, and Manhandling Thor didn't count for much because they wouldn't be classic battles.

But I promise you if he did KO them one Punch you would be the first to Jump up and go "OMG TEH HuKL P0WNz0r Thigyn 1N 0n3 Punch".

I guarantee that 100%.

Originally posted by Rewmac
That goes to you as well. Me for example a loads back brought proof, wrote bunch. You read what you want of it then you reply. I don't know if it's like that, but I feel like it.

What are you talking about? If I misinterpret something(which happens to anybody), I'll have myself corrected. Apolloknight, on the other hand, may or may not read my or anyone's rebuttal and then proceeds to ignore it, so that he can make a cheap remark.

Anyway, what "bunch" and what "proof"? In this thread?

Originally posted by Apolloknight
No I didn't, I read the post you posted, in which you said in your own words,

"The reason why Hulk doesn't defeat thing in once punch is because it would be a classic battle, You as a Hulk fan would not want to see that, it doesn't mean much. "

Your basically implying that because Juggernaut was a villain, KOing the likes of thing, and Stranger, and Manhandling Thor didn't count for much because they wouldn't be classic battles.

But I promise you if he did KO them one Punch you would be the first to Jump up and go "OMG TEH HuKL P0WNz0r Thigyn 1N 0n3 Punch".

I guarantee that 100%.

I already told you that I was talking about indivual feats and their questional indication of hierachy. Gladiator was defeated by Hulk, Juggernaut got owned. Juggernaut defeated Stranger with one punch, Hulk had a harder time with him. Thing stood up to champion, Thor, Sasquatch and Colossus were handily defeated. I'm not doubting any of these individual feats, I'm doubting that it proofs that someone else CAN'T do it because they failed on another occasion. It simply doesn't mean anything in a debate, because comics are inconsequent. Bringing up feats is useless when the standards are varying. Notice how I'm not placing the blame on any particular character....

I know you think I offended your precious Juggernaut, but try reading the whole discussion. And if I didn't make myself clear enough with my words(which is possible), you could als try to make out the context by yourself.

And when have I ever acted like that?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
"the blob is stronger then the juggernaut."

Your entire statement became completely false as soon as you that.

no, it true look it up the blob no one can move him unless ge wants to be move he beat colusses. first episode of x-men the 80 verison not the 90 version. the episode was called pride of the x-men