Originally posted by Sea King
well what i got from it was that he was trying to get somwere so he powered up because he needed the power up to get their. it was not the person calling him their that gave him the power and unless you can show me were he say what ever is calling me is whats makeing me more powerful then their is no reasion to believe this.all logic would point to the gem giveing him more power because he needed it.
The scans were posted a few pages back, by Soujaboy.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
He cracked onslaughts armor, jean mindwiped him, soooooo, Some Hulk fans say that is Hulks greatest feat, sooooo
Not once during that saga did he reach a limit in his rage.
In reality, however, it was the Trion, the ruling "gods" of that dimension who were using their sequestered "dark side" to control Cain's body, hoping to get the X-Men to destroy him and rid themselves of their own evil.
There it wasnt Cyttorak in his body. Still showing that more power is granted to him when he needs to do something. Also another time would be when he was down to just a skeleton and through will power and focus he still... dont remember the rest something happened though.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
He cracked onslaughts armor, jean mindwiped him, soooooo, Some Hulk fans say that is Hulks greatest feat, sooooo
Jean brought up a strongly focussed Savage Hulk.
Some Hulk fans say that it is his greatest feat because Onslaught's armour is supposed to be literally unbreakable. Nobody could even dent it.
But where does it say anything about a limit?
Originally posted by Apolloknight
I want to see that quote, so until I do, Hulk does in fact, have a limit to his strength, Onslaught Saga.
"...for the madder Hulk gets - the stronger Hulk gets - and as anyone who has ever met the green goliath can tell you - his rage - and his power - are boundless!" - The Incredible Hulk #198
"You are nothing but power incarnate! An infinity of power with no finite element inside!! Worse yet, you remind me of someone." - Beyonder - Secret Wars 2 #8
Originally posted by TheDecider
In reality, however, it was the Trion, the ruling "gods" of that dimension who were using their sequestered "dark side" to control Cain's body, hoping to get the X-Men to destroy him and rid themselves of their own evil.
There it wasnt Cyttorak in his body. Still showing that more power is granted to him when he needs to do something. Also another time would be when he was down to just a skeleton and through will power and focus he still... dont remember the rest something happened though.
But Trion is a god himself. He could've added the strength or even forced a wider connection with Cyttorak. There's nothing that indicates that Juggernaut could do it himself.
And you're probably talking about the incident where D'spayre flayed him down to a skeleton. He managed to stay alive through sheer hatred. Where does it say anthing about power?
Originally posted by Accel
It's also been stated on panel on more than occasion that his nager has no limit:"...for the madder Hulk gets - the stronger Hulk gets - and as anyone who has ever met the green goliath can tell you - his rage - and his power - are boundless!" - The Incredible Hulk #198
"You are nothing but power incarnate! An infinity of power with no finite element inside!! Worse yet, you remind me of someone." - Beyonder - Secret Wars 2 #8
That can be dismissed as Hyperbole, as you guys have dismissed Juggernauts stuff as Hyperbole. Remember, Juggernaut can shatter planets with a single punch.
Better yet, Captain America can move at eh speed of light, and wolverine can cut THanos.
So far, the Editors, in hulks own book mind you, where the only ones to come out and say,
"Hey guys, Hulks not the strongest one there is"
Get over it already!!!!!!!!!! 🙂
Originally posted by Apolloknight
That can be dismissed as Hyperbole, as you guys have dismissed Juggernauts stuff as Hyperbole. Remember, Juggernaut can shatter planets with a single punch.
And I suppose that when Hulk smashed the planetoid 2x the size of Earth it was 99% thanks to the Springs Power and it took 5 punches.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
That can be dismissed as Hyperbole, as you guys have dismissed Juggernauts stuff as Hyperbole. Remember, Juggernaut can shatter planets with a single punch.Better yet, Captain America can move at eh speed of light, and wolverine can cut THanos.
So far, the Editors, in hulks own book mind you, where the only ones to come out and say,
"Hey guys, Hulks not the strongest one there is"
Get over it already!!!!!!!!!! 🙂
Some editors said they think Juggernaut is stronger. That's nice. Hulk has multiple writers stating he's the strongest, as well as the feats to actually back it up.
I'm not knocking Juggernaut, mind you. I'm just saying that in terms of durability, Juggernaut > Hulk, while in terms of strength, Hulk > Juggernaut. But if you want to cling to a single vague newsletter from a decade ago to convince yourself that Juggernaut is stronger, then that's fine by me.
Originally posted by TheDecider
I believe trion juggernaut got the strength because he was purely focused on getting to the trion dimension, this focus gave him enough power to do it. Juggernaut should be able to do gain enough strength to defeat the hulk simply by focusing and willing himself to have enough strength to do it.
Juggernaut wasn't technically around at the moment, as someone else had taken over. So how could he focus?
Originally posted by TheDecider
I believe trion juggernaut got the strength because he was purely focused on getting to the trion dimension, this focus gave him enough power to do it. Juggernaut should be able to do gain enough strength to defeat the hulk simply by focusing and willing himself to have enough strength to do it.
Then you are beliving something with no proof to back it up.
Where is the proof that it was all Juggs and not Trion who facilitated the power.
Oh and I didn't see anyone reply to me "OUtside Entity vs Internal Power" post that kinda cuts off any power that Cytorrak would give to Cain. And saying that he does it at will has no proof other than 8th Day and Trion.
Its not like Juggernaut has tons of appearances to go by other than trion and 8th day. Why dont you just accept that as enough proof. Whatever was controlling his body was focusing on him getting to the trion dimension, so he did. He gained enough power to punch through dimensions. Now you say its outside help when i try to bring something new in. Its not really outside help if it is his powerset.
Originally posted by TheDecider
Its not like Juggernaut has tons of appearances to go by other than trion and 8th day. Why dont you just accept that as enough proof. Whatever was controlling his body was focusing on him getting to the trion dimension, so he did. He gained enough power to punch through dimensions. Now you say its outside help when i try to bring something new in. Its not really outside help if it is his powerset.
I will only accept the ed's note in the Hulk book as a small first step, due to its vagueness. But I'm not gonna accept proof that isn't proof in the slightest. Sorry.