Originally posted by MightyEInherjar
I picture this fight happening a lot like the Hulk/Juggy fight in Hulk #172.Hulk ends up throwing or sending Juggernaut flying to some place out of his view, and thus, Hulk thinks he's one even though Juggernaut is fine and is on his way back to the fight. By that time, Hulk will have jumped however many ridiculous miles away, and thus, to me, is making it a draw about 8/10 or 9/10, with Juggs taking the other victories.
I give Juggernaut the edge because he's practically immune to physical harm. While I think Hulk after awhile could hurt him about as much as Onslaught did, I think the fight would be over by then.
Hulk: Can't be killed by physical force
Juggernaut: For the majority, cannot be hurt by physical force.That only leaves Hulk available for K.O...which sucks, because I think it'd be cool to see Hulk win.
See even someone who wants Hulk to win, knows he can't.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Juggernaut can increase his power by will alone, Hulks durability does not increase as fast as his strength for an he has been Ko'ed or exhausted even in a enraged state.No matter how you put it, Pain is greater then Hulks rage. I will put it in simple numbers for you
If Hulks and Juggernauts strength both start at 5 and Hulks Durability starts at 3, Juggernauts Durability will be at "?" (?=Limitless).
Now lets say Hulk gets mad to the point where he Increases his strength to 10 and his durability goes to 7, Juggernaut can, by will alone, increase his strength to 15, while his durability will still be "?". Now you cant sit here and logically tell me that 7 durability is going to stand up to 15 strength? That in effect would Jar, daze, stagger Hulk, and from there Juggernaut goes Killer Instinct on hulk hitting with a [b]Ultra Ultra Ultra
.Juggernaut 10/10
Do you see my point? No matter how strong or mad Hulk becomes, Juggernaut will always be able to exceed Hulks durability by will alone, and as you know, Pain will always be greater then Hulks Rage.
Gets no simpler then that my friends. [/B]
Gets no simply than that, my friend. 8/10 it's a draw. Hulk's chances would greatly increase if we included pinning down one's opponent as a win.
EDIT: BTW, pain will not always be greater than Hulk's rage. That's like saying if Hulk gets hurt, he faint, which simply isn't the case. In fact, pain often triggers his anger and increases his strength, as well as his other attributes.
Originally posted by Accel
That's why I say it's [b]possible for Juggernaut to knock out Hulk, just not likely. We've seen in their first fight that Juggernaut couldn't knock out Savage Hulk, so it's basically wrong to just assume he's going to do it within the beginning of the match "easily.'Gets no simply than that, my friend. 8/10 it's a draw. Hulk's chances would greatly increase if we included pinning down one's opponent as a win. [/B]
I just will never get your arguement accel, "Its possible but not likely". I dont get it, that statement alone gives Juggernaut the edge.
Are you now going to say its possible but not likely, that it could be possible but not likely that Juggernaut could KO hulk?
In there first fight it doesnt really matter, neither was fighting all out, so we can only take so much from that fight.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
I just will never get your arguement accel, "Its possible but not likely". I dont get it, that statement alone gives Juggernaut the edge.
Eh? Ehhhh? Do ya get it now?
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Are you now going to say its possible but not likely, that it could be possible but not likely that Juggernaut could KO hulk?
Who's knocked out Savage/Mindless Hulk? The first ones who comes to mind are Namor, Iron Man, and Samson. I'd say it's safe to say that Namor's underwater punch packed more power behind it than Cain's punch at base strength would, as did Iron Man's all-out punch. And Samson cheap-shotted Mindless Hulk, who later on took blows from Class 100s and shrugged them off.
Add this to the fact that Savage has taken punches from people as strong or stronger than Cain, and I'm going to say that going by consistency, those were just relatively low showings for Savage, like Juggernaut getting the wind knocked out of him by Prof. Hulk. It's not unreasonable to say Hulk can take Juggernaut's punches without faltering.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
In there first fight it doesnt really matter, neither was fighting all out, so we can only take so much from that fight.
Cain tried to break Hulk's neck after jumping him from behind. Not going all out my ass.
Originally posted by Sam Z
So you are saying Hulk can't be koed by juggernaut?
I think he can and unlike Hulk, Juggernaut wouldn't care if this fight lasts for eternity. So he'll take him down sooner or later and judging by their past fight i must say that most likely sooner.
I don't see Juggernaut being willing to fight the Hulk for an eternity.
And the only victory Juggernaut has over the Hulk was when Hulk was sloppy and holding back because he didn't know who he was fighting. Hardly worth considering.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Juggernaut can increase his power by will alone, Hulks durability does not increase as fast as his strength for an he has been Ko'ed or exhausted even in a enraged state.No matter how you put it, Pain is greater then Hulks rage. I will put it in simple numbers for you
If Hulks and Juggernauts strength both start at 5 and Hulks Durability starts at 3, Juggernauts Durability will be at "?" (?=Limitless).
Now lets say Hulk gets mad to the point where he Increases his strength to 10 and his durability goes to 7, Juggernaut can, by will alone, increase his strength to 15, while his durability will still be "?". Now you cant sit here and logically tell me that 7 durability is going to stand up to 15 strength? That in effect would Jar, daze, stagger Hulk, and from there Juggernaut goes Killer Instinct on hulk hitting with a [b]Ultra Ultra Ultra
.Juggernaut 10/10
Do you see my point? No matter how strong or mad Hulk becomes, Juggernaut will always be able to exceed Hulks durability by will alone, and as you know, Pain will always be greater then Hulks Rage.
Gets no simpler then that my friends. [/B]
You made all of that up, didn't you? 🙂
Originally posted by JonathanosCan I use that excuse in the Juggernaut/Colossus bar fight?
I don't see Juggernaut being willing to fight the Hulk for an eternity.And the only victory Juggernaut has over the Hulk was when Hulk was sloppy and holding back because he didn't know who he was fighting. Hardly worth considering.