Juggernaut or The Hulk?

Originally posted by Accel
It’s been stated numerous times in the comics:

IH: 225- "Unfortunatley the Leader has forgotten a well kown fact: The madder the Hulk gets, the stronger the Hulk gets! And when it comes to anger the Hulk knows no limits!!"

Secret Wars 2, #8- "You are nothing but [b]raging personified! An infinity of power with no finite element inside!!"

IH: 198- :"At first the man brutes massive fists prove ineffectual against the shimmering energy shield--but that does not deter him--for the madder Hulk gets--the stronger Hulk gets-- and as anyone who has ever met the green goliath can tell you--his rage--and his power--are boundless!!"

IH: 322- "Usually his rage makes him infinitley strong--But not this time. he hit a limit..maybe even got a bit weaker!" (Doc Samson referring to a dying Mindless Hulk).

It’s also been stated by Stan Lee and Peter David themselves.

So yeah, Hulk’s anger and strength are unlimited. Does it make sense? No, but then again, neither does the Hulk really. [/B]

Juggernauts Fight with the exemplars was Called "the greatest Fury ever Unleased on Earth!"

Juggernaut and Stonecutter engaged in a lock so tight no outside force could seperate them.

Also I still want to see where stan or peter said this. Could you link me?

Originally posted by Accel
I never said he was the most durable. 🤨

And why are yu argueing about his strength? It means nothing in this fight.

Anyways, he doesn't have unlimited duribility, and he starts at a normal level. So why can't he get knocked out?

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Juggernauts Fight with the exemplars was Called "the greatest Fury ever Unleased on Earth!"

Juggernaut and Stonecutter engaged in a lock so tight no outside force could seperate them.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Also I still want to see where stan or peter said this. Could you link me?

Originally posted by bigbran
So your saying hes the strongest one, but hes not the most durible?

Originally posted by bigbran
If his anger is unlimited, then shouldn't he supposedly have unlimited duribilty?

Originally posted by bigbran
And why are yu argueing about his strength? It means nothing in this fight.

Originally posted by bigbran
Anyways, he doesn't have unlimited duribility, and he starts at a normal level. So why can't he get knocked out?

Edit. Sorry, I'm tired as hell at the moment.

Dude, that's just a figure of speech. Hulk does NOT have unlimited anger.

It's like Wolverine saying "I'm the best at what I do". Is he REALLY the best? No.

It's like Thor saying Odin is omnipotent. Is he? No.

Hulk doesn't have unlimited anger, he just has a whole hell of a lot of it.

Iff hulk doesn't have unlimited anger or strenght, than you can say the same about juggernaut.

I'm just going by what Marvel's been saying about him. It's not like Hulk's been saying this about himself, Marvel has. And they've been saying it since the beginning and kept it up for 3 to 4 decades. According to Stan Lee, his brain just works differently.

Any way, anger isn't the only factor. His strength seems to act on a subconscious level, making as strong as he needs to be to perform any task. Like when he stalemated Thor for an hour. Surely, he MUST have been getting angrier at that time.

I see you guys are going at it again 😆

juggs would win because it states in alot of places including marvel directory that he is invunrable to phisical strength. and by the way war hulk dindnt stop juggs because juggs didnt have enough speed.

sorry forgot to put the commer between because and juggs

Originally posted by 08juggernaut
juggs would win because it states in alot of places including marvel directory that he is invunrable to phisical strength. and by the way war hulk dindnt stop juggs because juggs didnt have enough speed.

Originally posted by 08juggernaut
juggs would win because it states in alot of places including marvel directory that he is invunrable to phisical strength. and by the way war hulk dindnt stop juggs because juggs didnt have enough speed.

The point is that "Hulk" didn't stop Juggs at all!
Celestial technology stopped the Juggernaut.
Period.
And that, my dorky comrades, is an entirely different matter.

Originally posted by Accel
I'm just going by what Marvel's been saying about him. It's not like Hulk's been saying this about himself, Marvel has. And they've been saying it since the beginning and kept it up for 3 to 4 decades. According to Stan Lee, his brain just works differently.

Any way, anger isn't the only factor. His strength seems to act on a subconscious level, making as strong as he needs to be to perform any task. Like when he stalemated Thor for an hour. Surely, he MUST have been getting angrier at that time.

Yeah, there is a difference between stats that are stated as a fact by high-level entities in quantifiable terms/or placed in a character profile, and something Doc Samson says because he just peed in his pants.

Juggernaut's profile says stuff about his strength level, power source, etc.

That makes it a solid fact.

The comment about Thor proves my point. Thor is at a specific strength level. He fights the Hulk in this instance. Hulk eventually gets angered enough to stalemate Thor for an hour.
If Hulk's anger was increasing after getting to that level, and his strength was increasing after getting to that level, it would no longer be a stalemate.
He should have surpassed Thor. But, you say he didn't.
That is because there IS a limit to his anger.

Originally posted by Brutacus
Iff hulk doesn't have unlimited anger or strenght, than you can say the same about juggernaut.

Juggernauts power source is an unlimitted supply of Cyttorak power.
This is a fact of this character.

There is no key to him drawing upon it, as the Hulk needs anger to draw upon his power source.

But, the Hulk has a weakness. His anger. He can only get stronger as his anger increases.

Originally posted by long pig
Dude, that's just a figure of speech. Hulk does NOT have unlimited anger.

It's like Wolverine saying "I'm the best at what I do". Is he REALLY the best? No.

It's like Thor saying Odin is omnipotent. Is he? No.

Hulk doesn't have unlimited anger, he just has a whole hell of a lot of it.

I say again:

Yeah, there is a difference between stats that are stated as a fact by high-level entities in quantifiable terms, and something Doc Samson says because he just peed in his pants.

Juggernaut's profile says stuff about his strength level, power source, etc.

That makes it a solid fact.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Yeah, there is a difference between stats that are stated as a fact by high-level entities in quantifiable terms/or placed in a character profile, and something Doc Samson says because he just peed in his pants.

Originally posted by Horrificus
The comment about Thor proves my point. Thor is at a specific strength level. He fights the Hulk in this instance. Hulk eventually gets angered enough to stalemate Thor for an hour.
If Hulk's anger was increasing after getting to that level, and his strength was increasing after getting to that level, it would no longer be a stalemate.
He should have surpassed Thor. But, you say he didn't.
That is because there IS a limit to his anger.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Juggernauts power source is an unlimitted supply of Cyttorak power.
This is a fact of this character.

There is no key to him drawing upon it, as the Hulk needs anger to draw upon his power source.

But, the Hulk has a weakness. His anger. He can only get stronger as his anger increases.

The matte anitmatter feat, for instance, required infinite strength to push apart an irresistible force. However, this doesn't mean Hulk's anger was infinite at the time either.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Juggernauts power source is an unlimitted supply of Cyttorak power.
This is a fact of this character.

There is no key to him drawing upon it, as the Hulk needs anger to draw upon his power source.

But, the Hulk has a weakness. His anger. He can only get stronger as his anger increases.

Juggernaut can't draw upon it by himself. It has to be granted to him. At least that's the deal so far. All of his power ups were out of his hands.

This leads me to believe that Juggernaut has a set strength level. It may be high and his limits may not have been reached yet, but it's apparantly not enough to put the Hulk down.

Btw, Hulk's strength level depends on adrenaline, not just anger.

Originally posted by Accel
It wsa also stated by the Beyonder after he exmined Hulk with his cosmic powers.

He's overcome far worse than Thor before. 😕
He's broken a device not even Celestials could break. His fight with Thor didn't show a limit, just that anger isn't the only factor to his strength.

Anger is only one factor to his increasing strength. It also comes from a subconscious desire to the be the strongest, which allows him to become strong enough to perform just about any physical task.

The matte anitmatter feat, for instance, required infinite strength to push apart an irresistible force. However, this doesn't mean Hulk's anger was infinite at the time either.

just no

Originally posted by Horrificus
just no