Originally posted by Accel
What? The matterantimatter feat? The attraction between the two forces is irrresistible. Look it up.
I was just reading the scan again. I never discounted the feat as high strength but never thought that it required inifinite strength. When I re-read the scan I just realized that Spidey said that both spheres were antimatter.
Besides, while as Star Trek teaches us matter-antimatter explosions always result in a stupendous amount of energy they never mention that their attractive force is irrestible. At least no more so than gravity. I'll cast about for a minute on the internet but...
Now that I think about it again that makes absolutely no sense. How would keep them apart for any time at all? In a force field? But if the forces are so irrestible that they require 'infinite strength' to keep apart then the same would hold true for the force field. It too would need infinite power to keep the two apart. So what's the gain from bringing the two together?
Man, Professor Power was really heading for disaster when he was creating antimatter on earth...
Originally posted by Accel
So all of a sudden it doesn't matter? Superman holding a black hole isn't really a strength feat? Thor lifting something that weighs as much or greater than the world isn't impressive since it's in a comic? That logic makes no sense.Real world physics doesn't hold complete weight in comics, but it does give a reader a good idea of how good a feat is.
No, Superman holding a black hole was dumb to. 😆
Originally posted by Dinalfos
War Hulk was. But not necessarily in the way you want to see it.It doesn't matter to you because you are extremely selective. Hypocrite.
Yeah, him too. Agreed.
It makes a HELL of a lot of difference, you just want things to be simple.
Yes. But there's more, obviously. If you actually knew your Hulk, you would know that.
It's funny how the Juggernaut fans can explain everything about Juggernaut(well some of you), yet when Hulk defenders do the same, it suddenly doesn't matter anymore. Again, hypocrite.
Your perception of what is proof and what is not is highly dubious. You refused to accept the Hulk's strength, even when they showed you panels, handbooks or whatever. The funny thing is, you choose what is acceptable as evidence based on whether it benefits your character or not. If that same ed's note only said Hulk's strength was unlimited and Juggernaut's was not(this could've been the case, since opinion changes on a regular basis), you wouldn't take it seriously.
I'm still moaning because we haven't seen any actual, cold hard, undeniable proof. This is a friggin'letter from 1997. The situation was different in, say 1985, it was different in 1992, it was different in 1997 and nobody knows how it is today. I remember what I said,
it's just that the evidence you keep presenting is as flimsy and speculative as possible.Now, I'd say that Hulk has on panel evidence that shows him as a source of infinite energy. You and others bend over backwards to try and come up with a argument to debunk. Yet when I refuse to blindly swallow some vague, unclear, skakey, unnuanced and subjective ed's note, I'm suddenly being stubborn? Hypocrisy. Anyway, I STILL don't believe Juggernaut's unlimited strength, because he hasn't been shown to increase it by will power. Period. That's just a theory. As I've already stated before, I will accept anything reasonable. It's not too late for Marvel to make it official.
Yes, all of a sudden you've become such a good debater 🙄
Man, your hypocrisy is shameless. You never accepted anything until you saw your chance to play Saint Holyman. And what's with the "Don't believe me" schtick? I said those things because I support them. Why would I suddenly doubt my own words? Anyway, as I've said before, give me something substantial and I WILL accept it. How hard can that be?
Why do you cling to such a vague letter, when there is plenty of room for closure in the comics? Did it ever occur to you that the fight is undecided because they never fought again after War? It's undecided because there's no closure. That doesn't mean people at MHQ don't have their opinions ready. I just want to know how the right people feel about this.
What does that have to do with anything? The ed. is not the writer. I'm sure he has an opinion of his own? Again, give me some cold hard evidence.
"Choose to accept"
Right, the day I stop thinking is the day I will blindly follow some stupid article. There's more to comicdom than just ed's and general current opinion.
Good post there.
Originally posted by lft4ded
I was just reading the scan again. I never discounted the feat as high strength but never thought that it required inifinite strength. When I re-read the scan I just realized that Spidey said that both spheres were antimatter.Besides, while as Star Trek teaches us matter-antimatter explosions always result in a stupendous amount of energy they never mention that their attractive force is irrestible. At least no more so than gravity. I'll cast about for a minute on the internet but...
Now that I think about it again that makes absolutely no sense. How would keep them apart for any time at all? In a force field? But if the forces are so irrestible that they require 'infinite strength' to keep apart then the same would hold true for the force field. It too would need infinite power to keep the two apart. So what's the gain from bringing the two together?
Man, Professor Power was really heading for disaster when he was creating antimatter on earth...
Yeah. I've re-read it myself since I've been planning to update my Hulk thread. I've come to the conclusion that it isn't matter-antimatter attraction but some other type of field, possibly magnetic.
The spheres were creating anti-matter within them. The spheres themselves were obviously not the proper matter to react with the antimatter inside. Once the spheres touched, the antimatter would have released and reacted with the matter of the Earth itself. Big boom.
The attraction surely wasn't infinite, but it was enough that even after Hulk knocked one out of Earth's atmosphere, the other was pulled after it once Hulk was shoved out of its way. So it was a really powerful attraction.
Both materials would have passed the properties on THROUGH Hulk's body.
He would have BEEN the connection.
Terrible writing. Maybe they should read a science book before writing things they don't understand.
It must have been in an alternate universe. A strange universe. So strange, Hulk might even have a chance of beating Juggernaut.
That is a FUNNY universe. A silly universe.
I sure am glad that universe is NOT this universe.
I like this universe, where Juggernaut can beat Hulk any day of the week.
Originally posted by long pig
Well, when it comes to Hulk, some of his strength feats are simply retarded.Case in point: He once got so strong he was able to grab a beam of light and bend it. Serously, explain that to me.
Originally posted by lft4ded
Or the time who was able to fly *over* a train he was tossed at through sheer strength alone. 😛
Originally posted by Jonathanos
Yeah. I've re-read it myself since I've been planning to update my Hulk thread. I've come to the conclusion that it isn't matter-antimatter attraction but some other type of field, possibly magnetic.The spheres were creating anti-matter within them. The spheres themselves were obviously not the proper matter to react with the antimatter inside. Once the spheres touched, the antimatter would have released and reacted with the matter of the Earth itself. Big boom.
The attraction surely wasn't infinite, but it was enough that even after Hulk knocked one out of Earth's atmosphere, the other was pulled after it once Hulk was shoved out of its way. So it was a really powerful attraction.
Originally posted by Horrificus
Both materials would have passed the properties on THROUGH Hulk's body.
He would have BEEN the connection.
Terrible writing. Maybe they should read a science book before writing things they don't understand.
It must have been in an alternate universe. A strange universe. So strange, Hulk might even have a chance of beating Juggernaut.That is a FUNNY universe. A silly universe.
I sure am glad that universe is NOT this universe.
I like this universe, where Juggernaut can beat Hulk any day of the week.
Originally posted by Horrificus
Both materials would have passed the properties on THROUGH Hulk's body.
He would have BEEN the connection.
Terrible writing. Maybe they should read a science book before writing things they don't understand.
It must have been in an alternate universe. A strange universe. So strange, Hulk might even have a chance of beating Juggernaut.That is a FUNNY universe. A silly universe.
I sure am glad that universe is NOT this universe.
I like this universe, where Juggernaut can beat Hulk any day of the week.
Yeah, I know. They should, like, totally scrap the entire comics multiverse and restart.
Hulk can be something like... the world's strongest man. Yeah, that's it. But he has DID so half the time he thinks he's a scrawny scientist.
And Juggernaut's a nutjob driving a diesel and running over people. He can't be stopped!
After all, if the writers read up on science, they'd know that none of this crap works and it all sucks.
Hacks.
Originally posted by Accel
The forces were stated to be irresistible by Banner. And they seemed to pretty much crawl towards each other. Spider-Man even had time to get in between them in order to provoke the Hulk.
I'm not saying it's not an impressive feat. It's just not the end-all, be-all.
Most of the time, irresistable just isn't irresistable in comics.
Originally posted by Jonathanos
Yeah, I know. They should, like, totally scrap the entire comics multiverse and restart.Hulk can be something like... the world's strongest man. Yeah, that's it. But he has DID so half the time he thinks he's a scrawny scientist.
And Juggernaut's a nutjob driving a diesel and running over people. He can't be stopped!
After all, if the writers read up on science, they'd know that none of this crap works and it all sucks.
Hacks.
Dude,
Picturing Juggernaut doing that actually made me laugh out loud!
Funny stuff.
Originally posted by Accel
That’s because he was written to be retardely strong. As for the beam of light incident… well, I can’t justify every thing he’s done.Heh. Yeah, I remember that. Stan Lee basically pulled that out of his ass.
The forces were stated to be irresistible by Banner. And they seemed to pretty much crawl towards each other. Spider-Man even had time to get in between them in order to provoke the Hulk.
Meh. I’m not even going to bother with this…
um... oh yeah?!
No!... you!
Hehe.
Originally posted by Horrificus
Dude,Picturing Juggernaut doing that actually made me laugh out loud!
Funny stuff.
True, it was! Me too actually. 😄
Oddly enough I think that I became a fan of Juggernaut after reading the novel 'Juggernaut', which was about a caravan of survivors or something. This was a long time ago though. Before I realized that juggernauting isn't about survival but destruction!
This thread is still going on?
Last time I checked, it was Juggernaut can't even beat him once!
Ya...right!
Juggernaut wins.
It's that simple.
Hulk took time to become Mindless, and even he was duking it out with Thor.(not owning)
Now, let me get this straight, Hulk can duke it out with Thor, but he can't get hurt by Juggs?🤨
Plus he won't become that angry, to a point where he can't be hurt. It's called spec-u-lation!
It has never happened.(well..maybe) to lower classes of stregth!!
This thread has become, Juggs can't hurt him, so they stalemate? 🤨
I'm sure if he keeps pounding on him, he's going to crack him.
Wait!
Does anyone say that Hulk wins, or stalemates?(still?)