I don't even know how people can like the Hulk. No offence, but somebody who does nearly everything coz of his rage. Okay there are other version but mainly that was rage. And that green color also disturbs.
And the fact that here some say Hulk's power is greater then the power Juggernaut can call from a God...
The answer is Juggernaut...can hulk's strength go past juggs enchantments? Hulk HAS a limit to how long he can fight, so , Juggs could just sit there and let hulk vent as much anger as he wants, and once Hulk is done hell revert to banner and Juggs can crush him.
2nd way for Juggs to win, Hulk only gets stronger as he gets angrier but i dont think that his healing factor will increase along with his strength, eventually Juggs will knock hulk's head till he goes unconcious while Hulk STILL does nothing
3rd way is kinda of a joke, Juggs put one hand of Hulk's head while the other hand grabs hulk's, and then he pull them in opposite directions...hahaha and i feel sorry for that guy who said Juggs power came from the m'kraan crystal
Originally posted by Accel
Then there’s the matterantimatter feat…
The attraction between these two forces is irresistible, meaning one would need infinite strength to accomplish this. Hulk pulled it off just fine so…
It doesn't say that's irresistible. And apparently even the scientist guy believed that it could be done through an application of enough physical force. Now, according to the narrator, if the sphere's were actually allowed to come into contact they would create a explosion infinitely greater than the one that created Hulk, but there's nothing in the scan to suggest Hulk has infinite strength.
Hulk had actually reached a point where he was merely 'holding his own' instead of moving the sphere's further apart.
Originally posted by AccelGood thing a buddy of mine had Hulk #461 lying around. It does say the debate is unsettled but it does indeed say War-Hulks strength was amped. So that should end that argument as far as that fight goes.
The thing is, another group of Hulk editors (or possibly the same one) said that the debate of who was stronger was unsettled.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Hulk461.jpg
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Good thing a buddy of mine had Hulk #461 lying around. It does say the debate is unsettled but it does indeed say War-Hulks strength was amped. So that should end that argument as far as that fight goes.http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Hulk461.jpg
Well, definitely throws that out the window, Savage stopping the Juggernaut.
Also this once again proves Juggernauts Strength is limitless, Because Marvel even says its Undecided who is stronger.
So...
Hulk=Juggernaut in Strength
Juggernaut>Hulk in Durability
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Good thing a buddy of mine had Hulk #461 lying around. It does say the debate is unsettled but it does indeed say War-Hulks strength was amped. So that should end that argument as far as that fight goes.http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Hulk461.jpg
Good work. It 'proves' that War Hulk didn't "negate Juggernaut's magic", as some Juggy fans would say. He was stopped with physical force.
Anyway, nobody denied that his base strength was amped. It's still unclear what the source of the power is, though. The Hulk's body was already absorbing more energy at the time, so why not draw it from where that comes from?
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Well, definitely throws that out the window, Savage stopping the Juggernaut.Also this once again proves Juggernauts Strength is limitless, Because Marvel even says its Undecided who is stronger.
So...
Hulk=Juggernaut in Strength
Juggernaut>Hulk in Durability
A couple of things:
- What are you talking about? Savage still stopped him.
- The comparison was between Juggernaut and current Hulk(speaking of 1997), not Juggernaut and Savage Hulk. Remember, Savage was pretty much abscent from 1991 to 199? The main Hulk was Prof. Hulk and later heroes Reborn-Hulk. After 6 years, there's no reason to talk about Savage Hulk if the main Hulk is someone else entirely. Hell, look at the fanmail. Everybody talks about the Hulk in his current form, yet they still call him Hulk. Just like they did with Gravage and Grey Hulk.
It´s almost as if Hulk is more of title, rather than a name 😄
- This whole article proofs that "opinion" changes over time. Yesterday you were saying that Juggernaut > Hulk in strength, now you're saying they're equal 🙄
Originally posted by Dinalfos
Good work. It 'proves' that War Hulk didn't "negate Juggernaut's magic", as some Juggy fans would say. He was stopped with physical force.
Hulk was amped. PERIOD
Originally posted by DinalfosAnyway, nobody denied that his base strength was amped. It's still unclear what the source of the power is, though. The Hulk's body was already absorbing more energy at the time, so why not draw it from where that comes from?
Doesn't matter where is was coming from, or how he got it, stop trying to analyze and evaluate something that Doesn't matter. Hulk was amped. PERIOD, not per me, but Per MARVEL HQ, if you know what that means.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
A couple of things:- What are you talking about? Savage still stopped him.
No War stopped him, Per Marvel HQ.
Originally posted by Dinalfos- The comparison was between Juggernaut and current Hulk(speaking of 1997), not Juggernaut and Savage Hulk. Remember, Savage was pretty much abscent from 1991 to 199? The main Hulk was Prof. Hulk and later heroes Reborn-Hulk. After 6 years, there's no reason to talk about Savage Hulk if the main Hulk is someone else entirely. Hell, look at the fanmail. Everybody talks about the Hulk in his current form, yet they still call him Hulk. Just like they did with Gravage and Grey Hulk.
It´s almost as if Hulk is more of title, rather than a name 😄
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Why does it matter which Hulk it was, yes it makes a difference is some ways, but one thing ALL hulks have in common is the potential for Limitless Strength.
And if you don't know what that means, They are all are potentially just as strong as one another, their personalty's, and actions change how fast they access that strength.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
- This whole article proofs that "opinion" changes over time. Yesterday you were saying that Juggernaut > Hulk in strength, now you're saying they're equal 🙄
Yes, things can change, I can change what I think in a debate, you know why? Because of Proof, unlike you I will acknowledge it, in the first article Juggernaut was thought to be stronger, honestly I didn't care, they only thing I was cared about was the fact of that article proving Juggernauts Unlimited Power, because before that article Your entire debate was Juggernaut didn't have the strength to KO Hulk, don't believe me?
Originally posted by Dinalfos
Juggernaut does not have unlimited strength. And he certainly won't be able to choke Hulk. Even if he tries, Hulk's power will escalate and overwhelm the Juggernaut.
Originally posted by Accel
Not physically unbeatable. Obviously, a sufficient enough force can KO him, no matter how durable he becomes, because he doesn't have the luxury of being impossible to be knocked out like Cain. However, as we have seen from Hulk's durability feats, it takes a LOT to knock him out and Cain doesn't possess that necessary force to KO him.This fight is a stalemate, through and through.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
I would agree. However, the Hulk isn't totally about lifting either. He's about smashing. But yes, lifting, bending and breaking is large part of Hulk history as an action hero, since physical strength is what he excells in. I'd say the Hulk's durability or stamina(which has been debated extensively, I might add) is just about the comparable to what Juggernaut's strength is is to him. The thread Juggernaut poses is mainly the fact that he's completely unhurtable under any circumstance. Add to that his strength and you have a powerful foe. But still, he's not known for his strenght.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
Oh yes, he can tangle with them. But mostly because of his complete invulernability.As someone else pointed out, Thing has also never really failed to lift anything. I'm not gonna say his strength is anything less than spectacular, but it isn't even HALF as clear/established as Hulk's strength.
Originally posted by DinalfosSure, but I was trying to make a point. You can substitute the Thing for any other class 100 powerhouse.
And I know Juggernaut has never been truly tested, but that's an entirely different matter. The reason people doubt his strength is because he isn't known for it. Aside from the occasional writer and Juggernaut's supporters, most people don't really see him as THAT strong. That's because of Marvel. IF his strength was truly unlimited(which it might prove to be in the future, I'll give you that), then wouldn't he be known for it?
Originally posted by Dalak
I'd like to see that proof as well.And no one is saying that Cain is weak, but that doesn't mean he has Unlimited Strength.
Originally posted by AccelJuggernaut needs outside help to increase his strength-Cyttorak. If Cyttorak doesn't lend his power to Cain, he doesn't get stronger.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
Trion Juggernaut has unlimited strength. How can classic Juggernaut have unlimited strength if he's only at 35% of Cyttorak's power? 35% equals 100%? Yeah, some Juggernaut fans say he's able to increase his strength through focus, but I still haven't seen any evidence of that. However, I'm not gonna be a ***** about it. If I see some substantial evidence, I will accept it without making a sound.
So why are you still moaning?
Originally posted by Apolloknighthttp://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Hulk461.jpg
Again Good sir, Who is Stronger between Juggernaut and Hulk is still undecided, Therefore the only logical explanation is to say they are equal in this aspect, since There is nothing that can prove who is superior at this point in time.
This is why my thoughts have changed, because of the proof that snoop provided, that is, what good debaters do after all. Ask for, View, And Accept proof when it is provided, and of course since I'm trying to be a good debater in this match, I accepted it. It is undecided who is physically stronger therefore they are equal, for the time being at least.
Unlike you, whom I took 15 minutes out of my life to quote, haven't accepted anything, and are still giving your Opinions. You still say Hulk is stronger, and Cain doesn't posses unlimited strength even thought Proof has been Provided. don't believe me?
Originally posted by Dinalfos
Marvel HQ didn't even literally say, it was just an assessment made by the editor. It's not an official statement, otherwise we would have seen it. Also, what does Marvel HQ mean? It's kind of vague. Also, why does he specifically mention "current" and "opinion"? Because it's official? It's not. Also, why did this opinion change?You got your ass handed because you're clinging to a piece of evidence that is too flimsy to use. Especially since it's countered by Juggernaut's comic book performance. There's not ONE shred of evidence that his strength is unlimited or that he's stronger than Hulk.
^^Yes you said those things, Now stop moaning and accept it. Their strength is equal, two scan provided not from on-panel feats, or Hyperbole in comics, but from the god-d*** editors who run that shit.
IN HULKS OWN F****** BOOK MIND YOU
Now where you go from here is up to you, whether you choose to accept Juggernauts Strength to be equal to Hulk is Up to you, I cant convince you because you cant convince yourself, so even though I wasting my time in typing this up, I still hope for some god awful reason that you will sit down and just accept the what the editors have to say about the characters THEY OWN, NOT YOU.
Thats is all. blowup
Edit: Sorry for quoting you Accel, this is not aimed at you, I know you accepted Cains Stength.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
Good work. It 'proves' that War Hulk didn't "negate Juggernaut's magic", as some Juggy fans would say. He was stopped with physical force.Anyway, nobody denied that his base strength was amped. It's still unclear what the source of the power is, though. The Hulk's body was already absorbing more energy at the time, so why not draw it from where that comes from?
It wouldn't have been enough? He needed to be able to harness Celestial level force. We don't know how the Celestial tech amped Hulk's strength, which is what the text of the comic says was being tested. For all we know it allowed Hulk to tap into Cytorrak too while reducing Cain's ability to do so. Hence Apocalypse arranging for the two to fight.
We do know that the Hulk's strength required 'enhancement'. If Apocalypse thought Hulk's strength alone was sufficient to override the Unstoppable enchantment he could've just put a device in his ear to anger him to no end.
Originally posted by lft4ded
It doesn't say that's irresistible. And apparently even the scientist guy believed that it could be done through an application of enough physical force. Now, according to the narrator, if the sphere's were actually allowed to come into contact they would create a explosion infinitely greater than the one that created Hulk, but there's nothing in the scan to suggest Hulk has infinite strength.Hulk had actually reached a point where he was merely 'holding his own' instead of moving the sphere's further apart.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Hulk was amped. PERIODDoesn't matter where is was coming from, or how he got it, stop trying to analyze and evaluate something that Doesn't matter. Hulk was amped. PERIOD, not per me, but Per MARVEL HQ, if you know what that means.
No War stopped him, Per Marvel HQ.
Why does it matter which Hulk it was, yes it makes a difference is some ways, [b]but one thing ALL hulks have in common is the potential for Limitless Strength.
And if you don't know what that means, They are all are potentially just as strong as one another, their personalty's, and actions change how fast they access that strength.
Yes, things can change, I can change what I think in a debate, you know why? Because of Proof, unlike you I will acknowledge it, in the first article Juggernaut was thought to be stronger, honestly I didn't care, they only thing I was cared about was the fact of that article proving Juggernauts Unlimited Power, because before that article Your entire debate was Juggernaut didn't have the strength to KO Hulk, don't believe me?
So why are you still moaning?
Again Good sir, Who is Stronger between Juggernaut and Hulk is still undecided, Therefore the only logical explanation is to say they are equal in this aspect, since There is nothing that can prove who is superior at this point in time.
This is why my thoughts have changed, because of the proof that snoop provided, that is, what good debaters do after all. Ask for, View, And Accept proof when it is provided, and of course since I'm trying to be a good debater in this match, I accepted it. It is undecided who is physically stronger therefore they are equal, for the time being at least.
Unlike you, whom I took 15 minutes out of my life to quote, haven't accepted anything, and are still giving your Opinions. You still say Hulk is stronger, and Cain doesn't posses unlimited strength even thought Proof has been Provided. don't believe me?
^^Yes you said those things, Now stop moaning and accept it. Their strength is equal, two scan provided not from on-panel feats, or Hyperbole in comics, but from the god-d*** editors who run that shit.
IN HULKS OWN F****** BOOK MIND YOU
Now where you go from here is up to you, whether you choose to accept Juggernauts Strength to be equal to Hulk is Up to you, I cant convince you because you cant convince yourself, so even though I wasting my time in typing this up, I still hope for some god awful reason that you will sit down and just accept the what the editors have to say about the characters THEY OWN, NOT YOU.
Thats is all. blowup
Edit: Sorry for quoting you Accel, this is not aimed at you, I know you accepted Cains Stength. [/B]
Damn strait 😎
