Originally posted by Apolloknight
Hulk was amped. PERIOD
War Hulk was. But not necessarily in the way you want to see it.
Doesn't matter where is was coming from, or how he got it, stop trying to analyze and evaluate something that Doesn't matter. Hulk was amped. PERIOD, not per me, but Per MARVEL HQ, if you know what that means.
It doesn't matter to you because you are extremely selective. Hypocrite.
No War stopped him, Per Marvel HQ.
Yeah, him too. Agreed.
Why does it matter which Hulk it was, yes it makes a difference is some ways, but one thing ALL hulks have in common is the potential for Limitless Strength.
It makes a HELL of a lot of difference, you just want things to be simple.
And if you don't know what that means, They are all are potentially just as strong as one another, their personalty's, and actions change how fast they access that strength.
Yes. But there's more, obviously. If you actually knew your Hulk, you would know that.
It's funny how the Juggernaut fans can explain everything about Juggernaut(well some of you), yet when Hulk defenders do the same, it suddenly doesn't matter anymore. Again, hypocrite.
Yes, things can change, I can change what I think in a debate, you know why? Because of Proof, unlike you I will acknowledge it, in the first article Juggernaut was thought to be stronger, honestly I didn't care, they only thing I was cared about was the fact of that article proving Juggernauts Unlimited Power, because before that article Your entire debate was Juggernaut didn't have the strength to KO Hulk, don't believe me?So why are you still moaning?
Your perception of what is proof and what is not is highly dubious. You refused to accept the Hulk's strength, even when they showed you panels, handbooks or whatever. The funny thing is, you choose what is acceptable as evidence based on whether it benefits your character or not. If that same ed's note only said Hulk's strength was unlimited and Juggernaut's was not(this could've been the case, since opinion changes on a regular basis), you wouldn't take it seriously.
I'm still moaning because we haven't seen any actual, cold hard, undeniable proof. This is a friggin'letter from 1997. The situation was different in, say 1985, it was different in 1992, it was different in 1997 and nobody knows how it is today. I remember what I said,
it's just that the evidence you keep presenting is as flimsy and speculative as possible.
Now, I'd say that Hulk has on panel evidence that shows him as a source of infinite energy. You and others bend over backwards to try and come up with a argument to debunk. Yet when I refuse to blindly swallow some vague, unclear, skakey, unnuanced and subjective ed's note, I'm suddenly being stubborn? Hypocrisy. Anyway, I STILL don't believe Juggernaut's unlimited strength, because he hasn't been shown to increase it by will power. Period. That's just a theory. As I've already stated before, I will accept anything reasonable. It's not too late for Marvel to make it official.
Again Good sir, Who is Stronger between Juggernaut and Hulk is still undecided, Therefore the only logical explanation is to say they are equal in this aspect, since There is nothing that can prove who is superior at this point in time.This is why my thoughts have changed, because of the proof that snoop provided, that is, what good debaters do after all. Ask for, View, And Accept proof when it is provided, and of course since I'm trying to be a good debater in this match, I accepted it. It is undecided who is physically stronger therefore they are equal, for the time being at least.
Unlike you, whom I took 15 minutes out of my life to quote, haven't accepted anything, and are still giving your [b]Opinions
. You still say Hulk is stronger, and Cain doesn't posses unlimited strength even thought Proof has been Provided. don't believe me?^^Yes you said those things, Now stop moaning and accept it. Their strength is equal, two scan provided not from on-panel feats, or Hyperbole in comics, but from the god-d*** editors who run that shit.
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Yes, all of a sudden you've become such a good debater 🙄
Man, your hypocrisy is shameless. You never accepted anything until you saw your chance to play Saint Holyman. And what's with the "Don't believe me" schtick? I said those things because I support them. Why would I suddenly doubt my own words? Anyway, as I've said before, give me something substantial and I WILL accept it. How hard can that be?
Why do you cling to such a vague letter, when there is plenty of room for closure in the comics? Did it ever occur to you that the fight is undecided because they never fought again after War? It's undecided because there's no closure. That doesn't mean people at MHQ don't have their opinions ready. I just want to know how the right people feel about this.
IN HULKS OWN F****** BOOK MIND YOU
What does that have to do with anything? The ed. is not the writer. I'm sure he has an opinion of his own? Again, give me some cold hard evidence.
Now where you go from here is up to you, whether you choose to accept Juggernauts Strength to be equal to Hulk is Up to you, I cant convince you because you cant convince yourself, so even though I wasting my time in typing this up, I still hope for some god awful reason that you will sit down and just accept the what the editors have to say about the characters [b]THEY OWN, NOT YOU. [/B]
"Choose to accept"
Right, the day I stop thinking is the day I will blindly follow some stupid article. There's more to comicdom than just ed's and general current opinion.
Originally posted by Accel
Real world physics will tell you that the attraction between the two forces is in fact irresistible. One would need infinite strength to separate them, like how Hulk actually managed to punch one away. The fact that he even held them apart says a lot.
Your first three words had me laughing so that I couldn't read the rest of your post. These comics tossed real world physics out the window long ago.
Remember, Hulk has problems knocking out Wolverine these days...
Originally posted by lft4ded
Your first three words had me laughing so that I couldn't read the rest of your post. These comics tossed real world physics out the window long ago.Remember, Hulk has problems knocking out Wolverine these days...
My point is that you don't need a comic to tell you the attraction between the two forces is infinite, just like you don't need a comic to tell you that Superman holding a black hole in his hand requires a lot of strength itself.
Originally posted by Accel
Yeah. And?My point is that you don't need a comic to tell you the attraction between the two forces is infinite, just like you don't need a comic to tell you that Superman holding a black hole in his hand requires a lot of strength itself.
The whole point is that both these feats requires more than just "physical strength" going on.
Same for lifting a mountain.
You woul dhave to concede that this is not just a feat of unlimited physical strength. The fact that it is "physical", means that they have to follow the normal laws of physics for our universe. And, in these laws, just being made of strong matter cannot effect how other forces in the universe interact.
Telekenisis anyone?
Juggs wins 😖hifty:
Originally posted by Accel
Soooooo... you believe Hulk has telekinesis now? Yeah, good luck with that.Look, you may not like it, but it happened. Hulk doesn't have any other powers. It was done with strength alone and he resisted an infinite force, proving his strength is infinite. Don't try to downplay it.
So now the Hulk has infinite strength? 😐
Originally posted by Soujaboy
First you said it was unlimited, now it's infinite. 🙄If he has infinite strength, why does it seem like there are always characters who are stronger than him?
Wheres the scan?
He can increase his strength to match that of any character or accomplish any ohysical task, as has been shown over and over again.
I posted the scan a page or two back. You'll find it there, trust me.
Originally posted by Accel
Infinite can be used to mean unlimited, as it turns out.He can increase his strength to match that of any character or accomplish any ohysical task, as has been shown over and over again.
I posted the scan a page or two back. You'll find it there, trust me.
Thats your proof? 😆
Originally posted by Soujaboy
So now were allowed to use real world science? plus lf4ded already trashed your theory. 😆
Real world physics doesn't hold complete weight in comics, but it does give a reader a good idea of how good a feat is.
Originally posted by Accel
So all of a sudden it doesn't matter? Superman holding a black hole isn't really a strength feat? Thor lifting something that weighs as much or greater than the world isn't impressive since it's in a comic? That logic makes no sense.Real world physics doesn't hold complete weight in comics, but it does give a reader a good idea of how good a feat is.
Case in point: He once got so strong he was able to grab a beam of light and bend it. Serously, explain that to me.