Juggernaut or The Hulk?

Originally posted by Accel
... Like I said, it's not as simple as "this character can be knocked out, therefore he will be knocked out." Cain will hit him, Hulk will get angrier, stonger, more durable, etc. And they just continue to wail on each other, getting no where.

And cheap shots, show that Hulk can't be kncoked that easily unless he really doesn't see it coming. He's not going to assume Juggernaut is an illusion like he did with Samson.

After a somewhat long fight with Spider-man, Spidey threw a cement truck on top of Hulk, knocking him out.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
I bet.

However in the end, no matter how you look at it, Hulk has been ko'd and Cain hasn't.

Oh yes, because unlimited strength isn't superior to a mid 100 class character.

Thats worse than the "strongest one there is" being physically hogged by your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man?

Hulk can't defeat Thor(and BRB) or Cain on these forums, comic's however may be different. Luckily though we have our own minds and can decide for ourselves. In case you haven't noticed, the majority of knowledgeable posters are siding with me on this topic.

Cain's strength has to start somewhere. And it doesn't start much higher than Walter's strength level, if at all. Especially considering Sasquatch has access to Tanaraq, which is also supposedly as limitless as Juggernaut's strength.

Yes, it is. You make the claim that someone with "unlimited strength" and the power of a god is stopped... by cement. It's much worse.

He can defeat them in H2H. The only ones who don't think so are the same Thorbags who believe Thor can react fast enough to counter Superman's speed.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
After a somewhat long fight with Spider-man, Spidey threw a cement truck on top of Hulk, knocking him out.

Once again this goes back to the time Spider-Man has also trapped Juggernaut in cement, beaten Firelord, given Thor and Surfer problems, etc...

Originally posted by Accel
And you think that should have happened? Especially considering that Spidey's failed to even phase Hulk on multiple occasions?

Once again this goes back to the time Spider-Man has also trapped Juggernaut in cement, beaten Firelord, given Thor and Surfer problems, etc...

My point is that Juggernaut has a really good chance of KOing Hulk.

Originally posted by Accel

He can defeat them in H2H. The only ones who don't think so are the same Thorbags who believe Thor can react fast enough to counter Superman's speed.

*cough* Or the surfer's. 🙄

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
My point is that Juggernaut has a really good chance of KOing Hulk.

Like what, the Cement thing? There hasn't been much shown to defeat Juggernaut that Hulk can do, espescially physically. BFR is it then.

Originally posted by Accel
Right. Too bad Cain has never KOed a Hulk who wasn't holding back.

Cain's strength has to start somewhere. And it doesn't start much higher than Walter's strength level, if at all. Especially considering Sasquatch has access to Tanaraq, which is also supposedly as limitless as Juggernaut's strength.

Yes, it is. You make the claim that someone with "unlimited strength" and the power of a god is stopped... by cement. It's much worse.

He can defeat them in H2H. The only ones who don't think so are the same Thorbags who believe Thor can react fast enough to counter Superman's speed.

Oh yes because I'm going to continue to hold back after getting my head smashed in. I will then continue to hold back after someone's trying to drown me. I will then hold back enough to let the person kill me. Hulk sure does have a lot of excuses.

Sasquatch doesn't tap into his power, he converts, something he didn't do when fighting Hulk. If he had Hulk would most likely be dead, hence is the reason he didn't.

Ok but "the strongest one there is" is physically hogged by your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man. lets ask Spider-Man which feat he's more proud of.

Not, and call me what you please I'm still not clinging to this hopeless battle claiming tat Hulk can't be ko'd although he has so many times before.

And considering Superman has never blitzed at light speed, there should be no reason why Thor can't react to Superman. Thor's fared well against much faster characters anyways.

Hulk still loses, against Cain, Thor, and Spider-Man.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Oh yes because I'm going to continue to hold back after getting my head smashed in. I will then continue to hold back after someone's trying to drown me. I will then hold back enough to let the person kill me. Hulk sure does have a lot of excuses.

Juggernaut still wins.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Oh yes because I'm going to continue to hold back after getting my head smashed in. I will then continue to hold back after someone's trying to drown me. I will then hold back enough to let the person kill me. Hulk sure does have a lot of excuses.

Sasquatch doesn't tap into his power, he converts, something he didn't do when fighting Hulk. If he had Hulk would most likely be dead, hence is the reason he didn't.

Ok but "the strongest one there is" is physically hogged by your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man. lets ask Spider-Man which feat he's more proud of.

Not, and call me what you please I'm still not clinging to this hopeless battle claiming tat Hulk can't be ko'd although he has so many times before.

And considering Superman has never blitzed at light speed, there should be no reason why Thor can't react to Superman. Thor's fared well against much faster characters anyways.

Hulk still loses, against Cain, Thor, and Spider-Man.

Even without it, he’s right up there with Cain and Hulk.

I’m sure he’d be more proud of stopping the “unstoppable” Juggernaut. Especially considering his track record against Cain seems to be better than his track record against Hulk. That is, unless that whole schtick is overrated…

He can be KOed , but only with sufficient force, which Cain lacks. The longer the battle goes on, the less likely it will be that he’ll knock out Hulk. You need to stop clinging to the nonsense notion that Spider-Man can logically knock out Hulk just because you want to build up your boy Cain.

And Juggernaut gets beaten up by Thor and Venom and stopped by Spider-Man. yawn

Current Juggernaut has a slight edge over Sasquatch. When they fought at the X-mansion, Cain had the upper hand.

Your definition of "beaten" seems flawed.

Venom didn't beat Juggernaut. Thor has to resort to removal from the battlefield. And Spider-man didn't physically stop Cain by his own power.

Originally posted by Accel
And Juggernaut gets beaten up by Thor and Venom and stopped by Spider-Man. yawn

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Current Juggernaut has a slight edge over Sasquatch. When they fought at the X-mansion, Cain had the upper hand.

Your definition of "beaten" seems flawed.

Venom didn't beat Juggernaut. Thor has to resort to removal from the battlefield. And Spider-man didn't physically stop Cain by his own power.

I consider being beaten up, only to be saved by your shield to be "beaten." I consider being manhandled until you run away to be "beaten." I considera being supposed to be able to walk through any thing being trapped in cement being "beaten."

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Electric fence,Anaconda,Antman,Rhino......😖hifty:

Originally posted by Accel
Meh. Rhino never beat Hulk. And the anaconda event was defended by Casey as Hulk beign depressed over the death of Betty.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Rhino did beat Grey Hulk in Hulk #378.

Originally posted by Accel
Yeah, CIS. Even after all that, he still didn’t know just what he was up against. Cain was even bragging later on how he fell for his trick when he dressed in street clothes.

Even without it, he’s right up there with Cain and Hulk.

I’m sure he’d be more proud of stopping the “unstoppable” Juggernaut. Especially considering his track record against Cain seems to be better than his track record against Hulk. That is, unless that whole schtick is overrated…

He can be KOed , but only with sufficient force, which Cain lacks. The longer the battle goes on, the less likely it will be that he’ll knock out Hulk. You need to stop clinging to the nonsense notion that Spider-Man can logically knock out Hulk just because you want to build up your boy Cain.

And Juggernaut gets beaten up by Thor and Venom and stopped by Spider-Man. yawn

Initially Hulk did fall for the trick, but does that mean he held back during the duration of the fight even when on the brink of being killed? no. It would make no since for a character to continually hold back after his life is in danger.

Cain's base lv is greater than Hulk's and Sasquatch. While they are both class 100, he's physically more powerful than Thor putting him in the immeasurable strength range.

Peter actually physically defeated the Hulk, he got lucky with Cain. Either way Cain still remains to be unkoable, while Hulk is still getting knocked by class 25 characters.

How can Cain lack what Spider-Man, Iron Man, Doc Sampson, Rhino, Abomination, etc, if he's physically more powerful than the majority of them combined? Others who are far weaker have done it, no reason Cain can't.

Cain's defeated Thor in all their encounters which didn't end in BFR, and in those he had the upper hand. Although Cain jobbed to Venom, he still wasn't ko'd. Cain walked into cement after saying he was going to kill Peter.

What did Hulk say to Thor and Spider Man in their fights? oh yea nothing, he was either dead or ko'd. 😉

Originally posted by Accel
Yeah, because Grey Hulk is the version we're discussing in this battle here...

Juggernaut pushed Hulk all over Egypt, and Hulk had to tap into his plot-device to compete with Juggy.

Originally posted by Accel
Meh. Rhino never beat Hulk. And the anaconda event was defended by Casey as Hulk beign depressed over the death of Betty.

😱 YOUR KIDDING? Omg, all those times people have said that Betty dying would be the end of the world because Hulk would not stop.

By your definition of being beaten, Juggernaut completely owned Hulk in their first fight. Hulk threw him away in the end, but it was Prof. X and Jean who beat him. Thats all Hulk could do. Juggs was going to go back and actually finish that fight.