Juggernaut or The Hulk?

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Initially Hulk did fall for the trick, but does that mean he held back during the duration of the fight even when on the brink of being killed? no. It would make no since for a character to continually hold back after his life is in danger.

Cain's base lv is greater than Hulk's and Sasquatch. While they are both class 100, he's physically more powerful than Thor putting him in the immeasurable strength range.

Peter actually physically defeated the Hulk, he got lucky with Cain. Either way Cain still remains to be unkoable, while Hulk is still getting knocked by class 25 characters.

How can Cain lack what Spider-Man, Iron Man, Doc Sampson, Rhino, Abomination, etc, if he's physically more powerful than the majority of them combined? Others who are far weaker have done it, no reason Cain can't.

Cain's defeated Thor in all their encounters which didn't end in BFR, and in those he had the upper hand. Although Cain jobbed to Venom, he still wasn't ko'd. Cain walked into cement after saying he was going to kill Peter.

What did Hulk say to Thor and Spider Man in their fights? oh yea nothing, he was either dead or ko'd. 😉

His base strength really isn’t greater. Hulk’s held his own against Cain just fine in the past. So has Thor when his invulnerability was taken away. What happened to strength feats? You used to to say Hulk didn’t start out any where near Thor’s strength due to lack of feats and that Thor jobbed when Hulk stalemated him in contests of strength. Juggernaut has even less feats and you just accept him physically dominating Thor just like that? 😕

Good lord, do you not listen? Rhino never KOed green Hulk. Iron Man and Samson only took Hulk out with cheap shots (the IM one not making much sense), and the Abomination incident took place over 40 years ago. And Cain isn’t stronger than Abomination was at his original strength level.

And others who are stronger than Cain have failed. No reason to say Cain can. 😐

Cain only dominated due to his invulnerability. Once Thor took that away, Cain was no match for him.

You think only Cain jobbed to Venom and you don’t think Hulk jobbed to Spider-Man or (since you firmly believe he knocked him out) Rhino? Yeah, that’s not biased… 😐

Hulk’s said plenty in their fights, since he’s dominated Spider-Man and stalemated or overwhelmed Thor several times.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Juggernaut pushed Hulk all over Egypt, and Hulk had to tap into his plot-device to compete with Juggy.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
😱 YOUR KIDDING? Omg, all those times people have said that Betty dying would be the end of the world because Hulk would not stop.

By your definition of being beaten, Juggernaut completely owned Hulk in their first fight. Hulk threw him away in the end, but it was Prof. X and Jean who beat him. Thats all Hulk could do. Juggs was going to go back and actually finish that fight.

How's that a victory at all the way I described it?

Juggernaut pretty much had him beat. He was wimpering. If the X-men hadn't come Cain could have won that match.

You said that War Hulk had beat Cain. Yet Cain showed no signes of even being in a fight. But War didn't win that fight he jumped away

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Juggernaut pretty much had him beat. He was wimpering. If the X-men hadn't come Cain could have won that match.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
You said that War Hulk had beat Cain. Yet Cain showed no signes of even being in a fight. But War didn't win that fight he jumped away

And they indicted pretty strongly that if Creel hadn't come along, War would have cut his head off. But then that depends on how powerful the sword was.

Originally posted by Accel
being your opponent's punching bag the whole fight and not doing any significant damage to him the whole time is not stalemating him.

Did you even read the comic? Besides stopping Juggernaut and Throwing him all he did was hit him ONE time. Juggernaut knocked his ass through a parking lot full of cars and into a building.

Originally posted by Accel
He obviously didn’t think the guy had the capacity to kill him. Keep in mind, this wa Professor Hulk, not Savage “Hulk Smash” Hulk. He obviously kept underestimating his opponent due to being tricked.

His base strength really isn’t greater. Hulk’s held his own against Cain just fine in the past. So has Thor when his invulnerability was taken away. What happened to strength feats? You used to to say Hulk didn’t start out any where near Thor’s strength due to lack of feats and that Thor jobbed when Hulk stalemated him in contests of strength. Juggernaut has even less feats and you just accept him physically dominating Thor just like that? 😕

Good lord, do you not listen? Rhino never KOed green Hulk. Iron Man and Samson only took Hulk out with cheap shots (the IM one not making much sense), and the Abomination incident took place over 40 years ago. And Cain isn’t stronger than Abomination was at his original strength level.

And others who are stronger than Cain have failed. No reason to say Cain can. 😐

Cain only dominated due to his invulnerability. Once Thor took that away, Cain was no match for him.

You think only Cain jobbed to Venom and you don’t think Hulk jobbed to Spider-Man or (since you firmly believe he knocked him out) Rhino? Yeah, that’s not biased… 😐

Hulk’s said plenty in their fights, since he’s dominated Spider-Man and stalemated or overwhelmed Thor several times.

So when he was being killed, I guess he was still think that this gut didn't have the power to kill him. When this guy was forcing his head beneath the water to drown him, he then too must have believed this gut didn't have the capacity to kill him. This is whack logic, and you and I both know it. How about you drop the excuses and just admit that Hulk couldn't physically stop Cain from killing him.

Juggernaut always dominates his opponents. It's nothing new, characters with Cain lv durability and strength tend not to need strength feats, seeing as how they tend to easily dominate their opponents.

Oh I listen, and I've never forgotten that you've stated all Hulk incarnations have the capacity for unlimited strength. Meaning that by your logic, all Hulks can potentially be near or around the same lv.

You have an excuse for everything don't you. Just once I would like for you to admit that Hulk can be ko'd by Cain.

Classic Juggernaut > Abomination

Juggernaut still had the ability to end the fight, as was stated in the comic.

Hulk jobbed to Spider-Man just as Cain jobbed to Venom, however the difference is Cain wasn't ko'd.

Cain wins

Originally posted by Soujaboy
So when he was being killed, I guess he was still think that this gut didn't have the power to kill him. When this guy was forcing his head beneath the water to drown him, he then too must have believed this gut didn't have the capacity to kill him. This is whack logic, and you and I both know it. How about you drop the excuses and just admit that Hulk couldn't physically stop Cain from killing him.

Juggernaut always dominates his opponents. It's nothing new, characters with Cain lv durability and strength tend not to need strength feats, seeing as how they tend to easily dominate their opponents.

Oh I listen, and I've never forgotten that you've stated all Hulk incarnations have the capacity for unlimited strength. Meaning that by your logic, all Hulks can potentially be near or around the same lv.

You have an excuse for everything don't you. Just once I would like for you to admit that Hulk can be ko'd by Cain.

Classic Juggernaut > Abomination

Juggernaut still had the ability to end the fight, as was stated in the comic.

Hulk jobbed to Spider-Man just as Cain jobbed to Venom, however the difference is Cain wasn't ko'd.

Cain wins

Whack logic? And your logic that Spider-Man can beat Hulk isn’t?

And Hulk also dominates his opponents. You’re presented with a double standard here. You don’t believe Hulk starts any where near Thor’s strength due of lack of feats, even though Hulk has stalemated Thor before. At the same time, you believe Juggernaut is stronger than Thor despite lack of feats and only based on how he does against Thor. That’s hypocrisy right there.

You think Grey Hulk can be as strong as Savage Hulk right away? No. Of course not, so it doesn’t matter.

Original classic Abomination was easily stronger than classic Juggernaut, I’ve never seen Juggernaut take out Hulk in three punches, even against the tricked Prof. Hulk.

No excuses at all. Just facts. I’d like to see Cain himself (not Spider, not Iron Man, not Samson), take out a Hulk who isn’t underestimating his opponent.

He could only end it when his invulnerability came back and saved his ass.

What difference does it make? Jobbing is jobbing, no mater how you slice it. That’s why it’s always ignored.

Stalemate.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Did you even read the comic? Besides stopping Juggernaut and Throwing him all he did was hit him ONE time. Juggernaut knocked his ass through a parking lot full of cars and into a building.

Whoopdy-friggin-do.

Originally posted by Accel
Juggernaut only hit him when he came from above and naturally couldn't change his direction on midair.

Whoopdy-friggin-do.

Ha, I am making a point toward your punching bag comment. When in fact they both got in the same number of hits. If anything it could be argued that Juggernaut got the better hit in.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Ha, I am making a point toward your punching bag comment. When in fact they both got in the same number of hits. If anything it could be argued that Juggernaut got the better hit in.

Originally posted by Accel
One hit from an oppoent who jumped after him. After that, he was thrown around liek a rag doll and supposedly he was almost decapitated.

You didn't read the comic. After Juggs slugged him, Cain hits him one more time, neither actually accomplishing anything. Then Hulk punched Juggs into the side of a building and popped his helmet off (not as impressive as Juggernaut's punch). Juggs was completely unharmed.

There was no rag doll in that comic. That was hardly a fight.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
You didn't read the comic. After Juggs slugged him, Cain hits him one more time, neither actually accomplishing anything. Then Hulk punched Juggs into the side of a building and popped his helmet off (not as impressive as Juggernaut's punch). Juggs was completely unharmed.

There was no rag doll in that comic. That was hardly a fight.

He treated Cain like a child, while Cain was trying to maintain his ego.

Originally posted by Accel
You mean when Juggernaut was trying to taunt Hulk and Hulk still talked to him like he was inferior. And the fact that Cain's first punch was when Hulk was in the air and couldn't adjust his direction, while Hulk's punch was when they were going toe to toe.

He treated Cain like a child, while Cain was trying to maintain his ego.

😆 And you call that a fight. You keep skipping the point of my posts. War didn't beat Cain like you claimed. He didn't throw him around like a rag doll.

It doesn't matter if Hulk was in the air or not, Cain got the better hit in.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
😆 And you call that a fight. You keep skipping the point of my posts. War didn't beat Cain like you claimed. He didn't throw him around like a rag doll.

It doesn't matter if Hulk was in the air or not, Cain got the better hit in.

And what difference does it make if Cain got the better hit in against someone who couldn't defend against it? The biggest difference is that Hulk could properly defend against Cain's attack. Cain couldn't say the same.

They stalemate.

Originally posted by Accel
I consider being teated like a child in a fight to be a loss, even if your opponent doesn't finish the fight.

And what difference does it make if Cain got the better hit in against someone who couldn't defend against it? The biggest difference is that Hulk could properly defend against Cain's attack. Cain couldn't say the same.

Treated like a child? All Hulk said was, "No. Because it's just too obvious." To Cain asking him why he isn't saying who's the strongest. And and then the beheading line. How do you get, "treated like a child" out of that? Do you threaten kids with imminent beheadings?

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Treated like a child? All Hulk said was, "No. Because it's just too obvious." To Cain asking him why he isn't saying who's the strongest. And and then the beheading line. How do you get, "treated like a child" out of that? Do you threaten kids with imminent beheadings?

Originally posted by Accel
I consider acting condescending to your opponent in a fight like he did there to be like treating him like a child. It wsa like some one was trying to prove he was better fighting someone who already knew he was better.

So Hulk is contantly acting like a child? He is always bragging even when he looses.