lol,
ok strange use of language there but still, juggernaut's one and only boast is unstoppability.
WarHulk did stop him and repel him, violently, across the earth.
it is physically possible to overcome that aspect of the Cyttorak charm.
The Hulk is more than capable of reaching the strength levels necessary. this fight wouldn't end in a couple of blows, it would be long and drawn out. Hulk on the offensive, juggernaut praying that The Hulk tires (as he can't catch The Hulk, nor can he hurt him, once enraged) ...
also, bfr would be an obvious means for a quick Hulk victory. even with the stupid airwalking stuff, the fact is juggernaut is slow. it would take him months to comeback from wherever The Hulk tosses him.
Originally posted by janus77
lol,
ok strange use of language there but still, juggernaut's one and only boast is unstoppability.
WarHulk did stop him and repel him, violently, across the earth.
it is physically possible to overcome that aspect of the Cyttorak charm.
You have serious trouble with reading things.
Hulk has not stopped Juggernaut with physical force, not under his own power. If you noticed War Hulk had a green aura around his feet with he halted Juggernaut.
It doesn't matter how strong Hulk is, he won't be able to stop Juggernaut with his own power. For one the ground still wouldn't hold. You could have a adamantium statue of Hulk and Juggernaut could continue to push it back without it giving way.
As you can see, Apoc clearly says "Power of the Celestials". Also the top of the scan you can see the green aura around Hulks feet which helped him gain the traction needed to stop Juggernaut.
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
You have serious trouble with reading things.Hulk has not stopped Juggernaut with physical force, not under his own power. If you noticed War Hulk had a green aura around his feet with he halted Juggernaut.
It doesn't matter how strong Hulk is, he won't be able to stop Juggernaut with his own power.
Thats just it, there no limit to the Hulks power, and he is fueled by an infinite interdimenional source of power. Hulk has a base strength, but it varies in which how fast it grows, and it has no upper limit.
Originally posted by horrorwolf
Thats just it, there no limit to the Hulks power, and he is fueled by an infinite interdimenional source of power. Hulk has a base strength, but it varies in which how fast it grows, and it has no upper limit.
you know, I really hate to bring this out again, but you asked for it.
It does not freaking matter how fast his strength grows. Hulk will always lose to Classic Juggernaut in a slugfest. Invulnerability counts for alot more than infinite POTENTIAL strength.
Originally posted by horrorwolf
Again in this case, Juggernaut does NOT have what it takes to put Hulk down.Which is why he would get knocked out of battle range thus a Stalemate.
Those two things have nothing to do with each other.
I can't destroy a block of steel but its not going to knock me into the next state.
I really doubt hulk will be launching juggernaut all that far. Really all he has to do is turn on the sheild and he can't lose the match. Also its still debatable wether war-hulk stopped juggernaut in those scans. Which now someone will probably call me a fan boy but I don't care. I see the 'possiblity' that he wasn't stopped. There is still areas in which we can doubt the validity of it. Due to its lack of motion we can't tell if he was stopped when it happend or if the tentacle shot out and got him in between steps.
The thing about Jug is he has to "turn on" his unstoppable power, it isn't there all the time. He has been knocked back 1000000 times, but when he turns on the enchantment, he's never been stopped. (remember, he's only turned it on like 10 times or less, usually he's covered with energy when it happens).
When he walked through air, he was covered with red energy. So, we don't even know if he was using his unstoppable power then. Also, he's friggin' inconsistent, his shield is relatively new to his character. It's like a GL or a magic shield, it's there when the writer wants it to be. The point is, whether he shows it a lot or not, he's got a lot of things going for him that Hulk does not, and I can't see how Hulk can ever beat him.
I can see Jug beating Hulk by simply outlasting him.
Is jug stronger? In the long run, I believe so. More durable? Yes. Smarter? Yes. Better fighter? Yes. More variety of power? Yes.
Also, dammit...Hulk doesn't have unlimited ANYTHING. He has the potential for unlimited strength, but not the ability to access it. No being has unlimited anger, thus, Hulk has finite strength.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
That's not what I meant. I meant Juggy has overpowered Hulk with strength 3 separate times.
CoSigned
Originally posted by outarddwarf
Its official, hulk can now do the impossible and talk in space. He has done it twice now. Also he no longer needs to breath when in space. Which has happened twice.
Juggernaut can do anything everywhere. Since his magical source of power enables him to physically indestructible, he doesn't needs to breathe, he uses a magical gem for a power source which doesn't seemed to have limits (Juggernaut never used it's full potential never shown he used), he can only be hurt by magical power or TP if helmet is on. Hulk can be done in several ways. Cain can overcome Hulk.
NOTE : This goes for good written, Classic Juggernaut which is the normal written one.
Originally posted by long pig
The thing about Jug is he has to "turn on" his unstoppable power, it isn't there all the time. He has been knocked back 1000000 times, but when he turns on the enchantment, he's never been stopped. (remember, he's only turned it on like 10 times or less, usually he's covered with energy when it happens).When he walked through air, he was covered with red energy. So, we don't even know if he was using his unstoppable power then. Also, he's friggin' inconsistent, his shield is relatively new to his character. It's like a GL or a magic shield, it's there when the writer wants it to be. The point is, whether he shows it a lot or not, he's got a lot of things going for him that Hulk does not, and I can't see how Hulk can ever beat him.
I can see Jug beating Hulk by simply outlasting him.
Is jug stronger? In the long run, I believe so. More durable? Yes. Smarter? Yes. Better fighter? Yes. More variety of power? Yes.
Also, dammit...Hulk doesn't have unlimited ANYTHING. He has the potential for unlimited strength, but not the ability to access it. No being has unlimited anger, thus, Hulk has finite strength.
Classic Juggs vs hulk-Classic juggs 8/10
Current Juggs vs Hulk- Hulk 7/10
a reason i dont like the search function rule is, this thread started in 2003 its 2007 so as the rules say unless otherwise stated it is the current version, well the current version is 4 years apart from the first post,trying to save space and not flooding the threads with repeats is applaudable but not practicle
According to Juggernaught,onslaght punched him across the states(canada to new jersey i think) and knocked him out(at that point was he classic juggs?), and current Juggs is fluctuating in power (he just got the gem back last issue of excalibur) and it was not clear if he would use it(i have not picked up latest issue though)
Juggernaught can be beat by hulk even classic juggernaught can be beat by hulk, or there would be no stories
its simple both characters are poweful enough to be written beating each other depending on the story. it snot like hulk hasnt shown himself to be powerul ebnough to more than spar ith juggie and vice versa. both characters are deliberately designed to vary greatly ( all comic characters obviously vary from story to story) with their power levels. hulk has been stalemated by namour, hercules , thor, juggie etc, yet at other times knocked onslaughts armour to pieces destroys planetoids twice earths size etc. hes not always written usng limitless strength or would never lose a physical battle to anyone as would keep healing and getting stronger till he won. however long that took. juggie too is winded by hulk punching him on one hand yet is still moving from a thor god blast.