Originally posted by -Pr-
While I think Hulk merely redirected Juggernaut as opposed to actually stopping him, I still think Hulk wins.
In actuality both of their forces were being redirected towards the ground that they stood upon. This was not just Cain's might that began to overwhelm the foundation of the institute. You know what I mean? Force is force, and we saw how impotent class 100 blows became to a fairly enraged Hulk. The question on my mind is whether the Hulk would be able to hurt Cain, because he would certainly be pushing him around like a field plow.
Originally posted by janus77
They lock up, the ground gives alittle, Juggernaut's forward momentum gets stopped, Xavier comes out screaming that the whole mansion is going to crumble as a result of the Hulk redirecting Juggernaut (stopping the forward momentum).So, unequivocal proof that Juggernaut's forward momentum was stopped.
Thereafter, Hulk states that he hasn't got all day and that he has other things to do, so he just let's him go, with a pat on the back for goodluck.
Juggernaut doesn't have the power to stop the momentum (and the Hulk pat), so flies into the lake.
As for the tactic, you need to have vastly superior strength to your opponent to rag-doll them. Hulk has the strength advantage, not Juggernaut.
The likeliest scenario is Hulk just tossing Juggernaut to the moon (or the sun, if he feels annoyed).
I disagree in regards to Hulk "stopping" jugs.
And you don't need to have vastly superior strength, you just need to be able to hit your enemy in the head until his brain turns to mush like hulk did to Logan. There's a question whether Hulk can even hurt jugs, there is no question that jugs can hurt Hulk though.
And Hulk isn't BFRing Jugs, the question was asked with only possible ends being KO or Death.
Originally posted by Stoic
In actuality both of their forces were being redirected towards the ground that they stood upon. This was not just Cain's might that began to overwhelm the foundation of the institute. You know what I mean? Force is force, and we saw how impotent class 100 blows became to a fairly enraged Hulk. The question on my mind is whether the Hulk would be able to hurt Cain, because he would certainly be pushing him around like a field plow.
I'm fine with that being the case.
Originally posted by janus77
He stopped Juggernaut's forward momentum, if you believe what the comic says.
I don't agree with your interpretation of it.
Originally posted by Stoic
Why are you making things up? Cain does not have to charge at his opponent to become unstoppable, nor would his 800 lb frame endanger a guy capable of bench pressing a planet larger than the Earth.Which comic did you read? Cain was unable to do more than push the Hulk several centimeters, and then the Hulk told him that he was not there for him, and sent him packing. The Hulk was also holding back considerably if you go by what he did later in the Dark Dimension. So if we go by logic, the Hulk would easily overpower Cain if he took it to even greater heights of power than he did when he was holding back.
Because I thought that was the whole idea behind the unstoppable juggernaut...
He's the unstoppable force, and when he builds forward momentum he cannot be stopped. That's different than just super strength, although he has that too in spades, but the enchantment works differently I thought?
Originally posted by Odekahn
I disagree in regards to Hulk "stopping" jugs.And you don't need to have vastly superior strength, you just need to be able to hit your enemy in the head until his brain turns to mush like hulk did to Logan. There's a question whether Hulk can even hurt jugs, there is no question that jugs can hurt Hulk though.
And Hulk isn't BFRing Jugs, the question was asked with only possible ends being KO or Death.
And that's not even Hulk giving it much of a go, he was there for other business and Juggernaut was a minor nuisance.
As for the absurdity of the tactic you're suggesting, Hulk is too durable and his HF too powerful for Juggernaut to ever hurt him. Literally nothing Juggernaut can do to this Hulk.
Hulk has operated without major organs, just fine, during WWH. And, unlike Wolverine, his HF heals up such injuries pretty much instantaneously (though ofcourse, Juggernaut is not at all capable of inflicting such damage in the first place).
Juggernaut has been brutalised by many characters inferior to Hulk in raw power. Captain Universe hospitalised Juggernaut, War Hulk was about to decapitate him and a weak Onslaught KTFO'd him.
Green Scar would either kill him (which is a realistic possibility) or KO him (which is more of an inevitability).
Originally posted by Odekahn
I disagree in regards to Hulk "stopping" jugs.And you don't need to have vastly superior strength, you just need to be able to hit your enemy in the head until his brain turns to mush like hulk did to Logan. There's a question whether Hulk can even hurt jugs, there is no question that jugs can hurt Hulk though.
And Hulk isn't BFRing Jugs, the question was asked with only possible ends being KO or Death.
There is a huge question as to whether Cain could hurt the Hulk. We all saw how a fairly enraged Hulk became tougher, and how class 100 blows had no effect upon him. Cain's physical power would become useless to him, and he would just be batted and knocked around like a child's stuffed toy. Do you deny what was on panel to strengthen my stance on the subject? Logan even states that he had become harder to cut, and that was the Hulk holding back. The Hulk bent Peters arms with a smile on his face, and Wolverine in the past was unable to even put a scratch on him. Cain would not be hurting the Hulk of this thread before the merge happened.
Originally posted by janus77
You disagree with the comic? Nice to know.
Xavier was very clear about Juggernaut's momentum being redirected into the ground. Juggernaut's forward momentum.And that's not even Hulk giving it much of a go, he was there for other business and Juggernaut was a minor nuisance.
As for the absurdity of the tactic you're suggesting, Hulk is too durable and his HF too powerful for Juggernaut to ever hurt him. Literally nothing Juggernaut can do to this Hulk.
Hulk has operated without major organs, just fine, during WWH. And, unlike Wolverine, his HF heals up such injuries pretty much instantaneously (though ofcourse, Juggernaut is not at all capable of inflicting such damage in the first place).
Juggernaut has been brutalised by many characters inferior to Hulk in raw power. Captain Universe hospitalised Juggernaut, War Hulk was about to decapitate him and a weak Onslaught KTFO'd him.
Green Scar would either kill him (which is a realistic possibility) or KO him (which is more of an inevitability).
I disagree with you, not the comic. If the comic states that, please show me where.
Also, how are you going to say Juggernaut is incapable of hurting Hulk when Wolverine just hurt him in the scans I linked? Wolverine > Juggernaut???
Hulk stated that their healing factors were similar, so that gave Hulk an idea how to beat Logan. It worked.
Originally posted by Stoic
There is a huge question as to whether Cain could hurt the Hulk. We all saw how a fairly enraged Hulk became tougher, and how class 100 blows had no effect upon him. Cain's physical power would become useless to him, and he would just be batted and knocked around like a child's stuffed toy. Do you deny what was on panel to strengthen my stance on the subject? Logan even states that he had become harder to cut, and that was the Hulk holding back. The Hulk bent Peters arms with a smile on his face, and Wolverine in the past was unable to even put a scratch on him. Cain would not be hurting the Hulk of this thread before the merge happened.
Harder to cut? Sure. But Logan still cut him didn't he?
Originally posted by Odekahn
Because I thought that was the whole idea behind the unstoppable juggernaut...He's the unstoppable force, and when he builds forward momentum he cannot be stopped. That's different than just super strength, although he has that too in spades, but the enchantment works differently I thought?
A weaker version of Hulk stopped Juggernaut forward momentum before.
That might be his thing but Hulk has clearly overpowered his enchantment, TWICE.
Originally posted by Odekahn
I disagree with you, not the comic. If the comic states that, please show me where.Also, how are you going to say Juggernaut is incapable of hurting Hulk when Wolverine just hurt him in the scans I linked? Wolverine > Juggernaut???
Hulk stated that their healing factors were similar, so that gave Hulk an idea how to beat Logan. It worked.
He stabbed him in the eye, which did little to stop the Hulk from nearly beating his brains out. The Hulk was able to ignore guys that hit just as hard as Cain. Are you ignoring this?
Originally posted by Odekahn
I disagree with you, not the comic. If the comic states that, please show me where.Also, how are you going to say Juggernaut is incapable of hurting Hulk when Wolverine just hurt him in the scans I linked? Wolverine > Juggernaut???
Hulk stated that their healing factors were similar, so that gave Hulk an idea how to beat Logan. It worked.
2) Wolverine was fighting against a Hulk that was holding back all through the confrontation. And yes, Wolverine's claws >>>> Juggernaut, as far as feats go.
3) Hulk is stronger, faster, smarter and his durability and HF make him virtually immune to the damage that Juggernaut can do.
Check out Sentry going all out or Dr Strange channelling Zom, neither could cause lasting damage, nevermind putting him down.
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
I get that Hulk has the strength advantage but some of you are claiming that now Hulk is stronger than Cytorrak himself and thats just blatant dumbassery.
Come to think of it though, Cyttorak is pretty weak... Lost to his own avatar, got scared by some minor Skyfather, pretty much embarrassed by Colosstomybag too.