Originally posted by Tron
Find a way to suck his powers? Are we talking about Hulk or Dr. Doom here? Not even Banner has that kind of skill or knowledge. So that's pretty much out.And it can't really be a fight to the death, cause Juggernaut can't die. And sheer strength alone won't work, cause it's been done before. Hulk's option is to take Juggernaut out of the fight, either cause a cliff to bury him, or make him fall into a canyon, preferably by making the ground collapse under him. That's how I see a definite victory for the Hulk, cause he won't cause any phsyical harm to Juggernaut, so that's his best option, do that and you'll keep Cain buried for a good few months, or years depending on how deep he's buried. I'd say throw him across a state or something like that, and I have before actually, but that's an even harder task than the first two choices, and the same would go for Juggernaut. It's like a said plenty of times, this fight comes down to stamina, mainly for the Hulk. He can go and go and go, but eventually he wears down, which means if he gonna take Juggernaut out, he better not take too long, or he's screwed. I still go with Juggernaut here, but it can still go either way cause they're both their biggest rivals in power, and can and have matched each other blow-for-blow. Hulk just has to strategize cause his fist alone won't win this battle.
Like I said. Hulk's the good guy he'd find a way. Everyone is capable of dieing, even Thanos. Cain Marko is still a mortal man when not empowered by the crystal.
You're always thinking it's gotta be about strength. If Hulk's going to win this fight, it wouldn't be because he burried Juggernaut under a mountain. It'd probably be because he found a way to nullify the affects of the crystal.
Or are mega intelligent scientist super heroes, with several other allied intelligent super heroes THAT incapable of doing anything other than smashing things with their fists?
Knowing Hulk and the corny Marvel writers, Juggs would probably like...have Hulk in a head lock or something....close to finishing him off. Then Hulk would like...i dunno...something uncharacteristically stupid like have a psychic backlash or something that would release a huge psychic wave to screw Juggs up. It'd be some pretty poor writing, but I would never say that it could "never happen."
Originally posted by Linkalicious
Like I said. Hulk's the good guy he'd find a way. Everyone is capable of dieing, even Thanos. Cain Marko is still a mortal man when not empowered by the crystal.You're always thinking it's gotta be about strength. If Hulk's going to win this fight, it wouldn't be because he burried Juggernaut under a mountain. It'd probably be because he found a way to nullify the affects of the crystal.
Or are mega intelligent scientist super heroes, with several other allied intelligent super heroes THAT incapable of doing anything other than smashing things with their fists?
lol, Thanos can't die. Death doesn't want him.
Here's something to think about. If Hulk somehow were to suck out Juggernaut's powers. He wouldn't be fighting Juggernaut anymore. He'd be fighting an ordinary man. So he wouldn't of beaten "The Juggernaut" he'd of beaten a helpless human with no powers.
The Juggernaut isn't the Juggernaut without his powers. Just like Hulk isn't the Hulk without his powers. If Juggernaut sucked up Hulks powers, or they were somehow taken away, then Juggernaut wouldn't of beaten Hulk. He'd of beaten Banner. And that's no accomplishment for someone like him. Just like it's nothing to be proud of if Hulk beats up someone who has no powers.
Like i said.....ANYONE can die in the Marvel Universe. I'm fully aware that Death does not wish to have him in her Realm, but that's not written in stone. Nothing in the Marvel Universe is written in stone, it's all written in paper. So who's to say that 2 years from now, there won't be a story arc involving Thanos' acceptance into Death. Hell, who's the say Thanos doesn't actually find a way to please Death.....ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.
A win is a win. If Juggs could actually find a way, or think of a way to drain Hulk...then all the power to him. Pulling off a feat like that requires INTELLIGENCE. You can't just throw away the fight because Hulk found a way to turn the Unstoppable Juggernaut into his mortal self. Hulk's biggest advantage over Juggernaut is his intelligence.
Juggernaut's biggest flaws are his lack of intelligence, and the fact that he's for the most part....a loner.
No single person on X-men could beat Juggernaut, but the whole team could. Hulk's intelligence and the allies he's made over the years are his best advantage in this fight. A couple long distance jumps to the Baxter building to see Mr. Fantastic would probably be Hulk's best bet.
It seems you're talking about a long scale storyline or something Link, where we're just talking about a straight fight. I still don't agree with this draining of the powers thing, neither would have the time even if they were capable, which either is not. We're talking about Hulk vs. Juggernaut in a fight, not Hulk with the assistance of Reed Richards, Hank Pym, Tony Stark, and any other smart f*ck vs. Juggernaut. You're getting away from the topic of an actual fight. If Hulk meets Juggernaut out of the blue like they usually seem to do, he's not gonna pull out a cell phone and call his buddy Reed, he's gonna Hulk up and get to it. And Juggernaut's not completely a loner. He's teamed up with quite a few people before, mainly his best friend Black Tom. But they don't matter because they're not part of this fight, just like any of Hulk's allies. And good guy status doesn't mean a damn thing, otherwise Spider-Man would've found a way to keep Juggernaut from Madame Web because he's "the good guy". And true he's a mortal man, WHEN NOT empowered by gem of Cyttorak, but in this fight he is, and there's nothing Hulk can do about that. And to point out something, Richards could probably make devices like Nimrod used against Juggernaut, but I doubt he can cut off Juggernaut's power source. His expertise is science, not magic, but then again, I'd never put anything past that accursed Richards, smart bastard.
And as far as writing, we're talking about this fight in the sense that they both actually have good writers, writers that fully acknowledge both of their abilities to their full extent. That's the best way for this fight to go, not by any inteference from outside influences, as all their fights have had so far.
It'll die when people stop saying one will win over the other. I have been content to leave it at a draw for a good while now.
But then someone decided that a fan vote would decide the victor of this clash of the titans. Which it won't really prove anything if Hulk gets more votes and it won't garuntee an end to the thread. Even if the poll is closed and the thread locked, there's nothing to prevent someone from making another later on. There's no reason to try and end the thread anyway. It's gone on a very long time, that's good though, long running discussions keep board activity up. Nothing wrong with that.
If you're just tired of hearing people debate it.. the simple solution is to stop reading it. No one's forceing anyone to come in here and read this thread. You've been doing it of your own free will. If you don't want to be a part of it, then don't be. Just find some other topics to post in, but don't come on here telling everyone to let a discussion die just because you don't like that it's gone on so long. Like I already said, no one's making you read it, you choose to. So choose not to read it, and leave it be.
Originally posted by Mane
ok, Mr. GayButtSex.
That was incredibly immature. If it were up to me I'd suspend your access to the board for something like that. And though I'm unable to actually do it.. I am still able to inform the moderators.
The rules dictate that you must use courtesy when posting. You clearly believe yourself to be above the rules.
I advise you to follow the rules, Mane.