Radiohead...

Originally posted by who?-kid
And a normal person just would have said it was Mike Patton instead of being a jerk and acting all mysterious.

Temper, temper. It wouldn't have mattered, because you haven't got the foggiest idea what I'm on about anyway, despite following his projects. You said you had no idea such an album existed and the first album you name is Angel Dust, the album he's famous for.

Another empty claim. I'd say you're full of it, but you're actually not full of anything.

-AC

Sigh. Current pop music is a general word that can mean a lot of things.

I'll quote myself for a change :

Pop music is a huuuuge genre that is divided in lots of sub genres such as rock, country, jazz, chanson, rap, ambient, blues, techno... You just don't get this simple statement.

=> that is "divided", or subdivided if that is more clear to you, not meaning that it's the inspiration duh ! Geez. Learn to read.

Originally posted by who?-kid
Sigh. Current pop music is a general word that can mean a lot of things.

I'll quote myself for a change :

=> that is "divided", or subdivided if that is more clear to you, not meaning that it's the inspiration duh ! Geez. Learn to read.

Yes, now complete the sentence.

Divided into? Subgenres. Which, to you, include: Blues and rock.

Which is, of course, bullshit.

You view pop music the genre and popular music the idea, as one. This is why you're getting confused. Blues was popular, it wasn't pop music. The two aren't inherently linked, and if you realised that, it'd save me a lot of educating time.

"Popular" isn't a genre. Because then everyone from Girls Aloud to Madonna to AC/DC to Slayer would be the same genre. They're all popular, but they're not all pop music, are they? No.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Temper, temper. It wouldn't have mattered, because you haven't got the foggiest idea what I'm on about anyway

despite following his projects. You said you had no idea such an album existed and the first album you name is Angel Dust, the album he's famous for.

And you're trying to say what exactly ? That I don't know a thing about music because I apparently missed one of his thousands of side projects ? Don't make me laugh.

Have you heard Mythodea from Vangelis ? Pocket Revolution from dEUS ? The second album from Psapp ? The latest from Bartoli ? If not, why not ? The new CD box from Johnny Cash ? The album from Tapes 'n Tapes ? The new Nick Drake Collection ?

Newsflash : it's pretty impossible to follow every single musician there is.

To further illustrate my point, I'll direct you to a written article by someone on Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop_Music

It defines it as "A genre OF popular music.". As in, the two not being linked for sure, as you seem to believe, 'Kid.

It also says: "Pop 'is designed to appeal to everyone' and 'doesn't come from any particular place or mark off any particular taste.' In musical terms, it is essentially 'conservative' in that it attempts to resonate with a large segment of its target demographic rather than pushing artistic boundaries. It is 'provided from on high (by record companies, radio programmers and concert promoters) rather than being made from below...' (Frith 2001, p.95-96). But over time, pop has gone from 'popular in general' to 'a genre' described as sounding musicly similar to rap, but with singing. This is due to radio stations labeling themselves as 'pop stations' taking heavy preference over certain sounds, tossing other popular bands who don't fit into the sound or other categories like rock into the 'alternative' label."

I know a band that fit under the rock and/or alternative label...

Just some food for thought. As I said, you're not only using an archaic term that hasn't been applicable since pre-90s, but you're combining two ideas because they have a similar word.

-AC

Originally posted by who?-kid
And you're trying to say what exactly ? That I don't know a thing about music because I apparently missed one of his thousands of side projects ? Don't make me laugh.

Side project? It's not a side project, but never mind, you got it wrong. Some Patton fan you are.

Originally posted by who?-kid
Have you heard Mythodea from Vangelis ? Pocket Revolution from dEUS ? The second album from Psapp ? The latest from Bartoli ? If not, why not ? The new CD box from Johnny Cash ? The album from Tapes 'n Tapes ? The new Nick Drake Collection ?

Newsflash : it's pretty impossible to follow every single musician there is.

Then think about that before spurting out turgid rubbish like "Any true intellectual and music fan would have known.".

The fact is, you actually claimed to be a follower of Mike Patton, so for you to not know this album is actually ridiculous. It's not like a general music fan not knowing some obscure artist. It's like saying you're a fan of Fugazi and not knowing Minor Threat, worse.

Like I said, 'Kid. I'm seeing claims, but I'm not seeing back up.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
To further illustrate my point, I'll direct you to a written article by someone on Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop_Music

It defines it as "A genre OF popular music.". As in, the two not being linked for sure, as you seem to believe, 'Kid.

It also says: "Pop 'is designed to appeal to everyone' and 'doesn't come from any particular place or mark off any particular taste.' In musical terms, it is essentially 'conservative' in that it attempts to resonate with a large segment of its target demographic rather than pushing artistic boundaries. It is 'provided from on high (by record companies, radio programmers and concert promoters) rather than being made from below...' (Frith 2001, p.95-96). [b]But over time, pop has gone from 'popular in general' to 'a genre' described as sounding musically similar to rap, but with singing. This is due to radio stations labeling themselves as 'pop stations' taking heavy preference over certain sounds, tossing other popular bands who don't fit into the sound or other categories like rock into the 'alternative' label."

Just some food for thought. As I said, you're not only using an archaic term that hasn't been applicable since pre-90s, but you're combining two ideas because they have a similar word.

-AC

And any Internet source that has a sentence like "but over time, pop has gone from 'popular in general' to 'a genre' described as sounding musically similar to rap, but with singing" should be closed.

Immediately.

Originally posted by who?-kid
Oh it's Mike Patton ? I loved Angel Dust. Yeah old I know, but still a great album. He has an awesome voice and lots of charisma. He's also of course crazy 😉

I know he's always working on a new project, didn't know however he made such an album. It's really hard to keep track when we're talking about Mike Patton. Is it one of his collaborations with John Zorn ?
[B]
How do you mean, nobody gets you ?

Well, I am just assuming here, I don't actually know. But just (because I know it would piss me off unbelievably not to know), I think he is referring to Delirium Cordia.
I actually own it, but didn't come around listening to it , yet. My hopes are to high, I need the perfect circumstances.

But I don't know much about Patton, i own three of his Albums, but somehow didn't come around listening to it that much, also I quite like his Faith No More Album "The Real Thing"

Originally posted by who?-kid
Wikipedia, isn't that another word for "I write whatever I want in there" ? I wouldn't be surprised if you could read in Wikipedia that Elvis is still alive and is working at McDonalds in Las Vegas.

Hence why I highlighted that it was someone who wrote it. It doesn't change the fact that it's can bear an accurate article just because someone without authority wrote it.

Originally posted by who?-kid
And any Internet source that has a sentence like "but over time, pop has gone from 'popular in general' to 'a genre' described as sounding musically similar to rap, but with singing" should be closed.

Immediately.

Besides the rap (hip hop, actually) part, that's all true. It has gone from being "popular" to an actual genre with a specific music style.

You link the genre and the idea, which is wrong and ignorant. Slayer, Madonna, Justin Timberlake, AC/DC, following? These are not all the same genre of music, are they? No. Are they popular? Yes. Being popular and being pop, nowadays, are two different things.

You refuse to accept this for the simple reason that it's devestating to your debate. I have fact and modern proof on my side. You have..."I like it.".

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Side project? It's not a side project, but never mind, you got it wrong. Some Patton fan you are.

I said I liked Angel Dust, I said I liked his voice, I said he has charisma.

Where - read very carefully for a change - where did I say I was this huge fan ?

So from the moment you say something nice about a person, you are a fan and you get bashed because you lost track ?

There's something rotten in the State of Centauri.

Then think about that before spurting out turgid rubbish like "Any true intellectual and music fan would have known."

The intellectual reference was actually addressed to you 😉

Read my quote

You know, trying to sound intellectual. It's not his fault he doesn't know the music though. It's not a known piece. But then again, a true intellectual and music lover would have known it... 😎

The fact is, you actually claimed to be a follower of Mike Patton

Seriously, stop misquoting me. It's fun the first two or three times, but it gets old after a while.

Back to topic before a mod closes this (I wouldn't blame them though)

Radiohead is the best ever !

Originally posted by who?-kid
Are you getting paid for each time you misquote me ? Seriously, what do they pay you ? I'd like to know. Must be a considerable amount of money.

Hey, why are you getting antsy? You got it wrong, happens to the best of...you.

Originally posted by who?-kid
I said I liked Angel Dust, I said I liked his voice, I said he has charisma.

Right...then...

Originally posted by who?-kid
Where - read very carefully for a change - where did I say I was this huge fan ?

You said you know his projects. This isn't even a side project, people who like Patton more often than not, know this band, even if they don't like them.

Originally posted by who?-kid
So from the moment you say something nice about a person, you are a fan and you get bashed because you lost track ?

Not at all. From the minute you claim that you know his projects, only to not know one of said man's masterpieces, is pathetic.

Originally posted by who?-kid
There's something rotten in the State of Centauri.

There's not, is there? You're just bitter cos I keep whooping you out the park.

Originally posted by who?-kid
I was referring to YOU, not to me. I go by feeling (I tried, didn't like it), you go by ratio (try again until you like it, it's a matter of time, and if you don't like it, you're too dumb).

You've said that there's nothing to get, ignorance. Not liking it doesn't mean there's nothing to get, it simply means you don't like it.

You've changed your mind so many times it's laughable.

Originally posted by who?-kid
The intellectual reference was actually addressed to you 😉

Read my quote

I even added the sunglasses and all. I didn't talk about me, I was talking about you. There's a name for it : being sarcastic.

Oh so now you're pulling the old: "I didn't mean it." card? Drastic times/measures I guess.

Originally posted by who?-kid
Seriously, stop misquoting me. It's fun the first two or three times, but it gets old after a while.

You're just repeatedly saying: "Stop misquoting me." even though I've quoted you and re-quoted you many times to prove what you said, then you tried to weasel out of it.

Hence why I've now reduced you to nothing.

'Twas fun.

-AC

It's getting tiring... another quote from me.

I know he's always working on a new project...

Steven Spielberg is always working on some new movie. Do I follow his movies ? Not really.

- Again : I did not say I was a fan. YOU said it, not me.

- Again : I did not say I followed his projects, YOU said it, not me.

- Again : I did not say I am a Patton follower, YOU said it, not me.

Learn to read. It will help, seriously.

Checkmate.

Originally posted by Bardock42
But I don't know much about Patton, i own three of his Albums, but somehow didn't come around listening to it that much, also I quite like his Faith No More Album "The Real Thing"

Originally posted by who?-kid
It's getting tiring... another quote from me.

I'd imagine it's getting tiring. I've quoted you before and shock, you dodged that like a champion.

Originally posted by who?-kid
So ? Everybody knows he's always busy working on a project. It's not like it's this big secret. I said I know the man's always working on a new project. Does this mean I actually follow all of these projects ? Hell no. I didn't say that and I didn't insinuate it either.

You are familiar with Mike Patton, even those passively familiar with the man are aware of at least the BAND I am referring to. The fact is, you probably do actually know this band, which makes it funnier.

Originally posted by who?-kid
Steven Spielberg is always working on some new movie. Do I follow his movies ? Not really.

Yet everyone knows he directed E.T, he's famous for it.

Originally posted by who?-kid
- Again : I did not say I was a fan. YOU said it, not me.

So he has an awesome voice, you think Angel Dust is great, but you're not a fan of him? I'm going to say that's a bit odd.

Originally posted by who?-kid
- Again : I did not say I followed his projects, YOU said it, not me.

You are familiar with Mike Patton, who, in all fairness, is a bit of a cult figure with regards to those who like him. So it doesn't make sense that you'd know him and not know this band.

Like you said though, "Any intellectual..." oh wait, that was "sarcasm" (now).

Originally posted by who?-kid
- Again : I did not say I am a Patton follower, YOU said it, not me.

I was mistaken. Once out of our whole debate, I'll take that shame then. Somehow I don't feel bad, next to a guy who spits such gems as "Jimi Hendrix was a pop star.".

Originally posted by who?-kid
Learn to read. It will help, seriously.

Checkmate.

Checkmate? Haha, what exactly have you achieved here besides looking like a massive hypocrite who dodges every part of a post that proves him wrong? Because you continually accused me of misquoting, denied you said something and then when I prove you said it, Christ reviving, you don't reply to it.

Do yourself a favour, gather what credibility viewers of this thread might think you have left, and lick your metaphorical wounds. Because in all honesty, what began with me proving you wrong on musical layers, had ended with me proving you wrong after you changed your opinion 90 times.

-AC

Originally posted by who?-kid
Like you said : not explicit, I was talking in general. Like I give a hoot about Hanson... the thought alone...

Of course, if I had known you would have joined the debate, I would have written it down in a more easy way for you to understand.

See, I'm a nice guy.

Hahahaha...Good attempt, but it obvious to all that you're drowning in your own words.

I'd throw you a rope, but asphyxiation is apparently such a pleasant way to go.

Bub-bye, who? You, kid.

It's Delirivm Cordia by Fantomas.

The album.

The 'secret' one, that's barely ever been mentioned, give or take a million times on this page- Delirivm Cordia.

By Fantomas.

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Hahahaha...Good attempt, but it obvious to all that you're drowning in your own words.

I'd throw you a rope, but asphyxiation is apparently such a pleasant way to go.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
It's Delirivm Cordia by Fantomas.

The album.

The 'secret' one, that's barely ever been mentioned, give or take a million times on this page- Delirivm Cordia.

By Fantomas.

Yep, and here's a live video of Fantomas performing parts of Delirivm Cordia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsDoTC5TCxY&mode=related&search=

^Peep this Bardock, you'll love it.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'd imagine it's getting tiring. I've quoted you before and shock, you dodged that like a champion.

I know you like to claim in every single post how great your debating skills are, and how you own me, and how this and how that, but that doesn't impress me.

Really it doesn't.

I don't do those kinds of things, you do it all the time, almost every single post you end with typing something macho.

Does that make you feel secure ? Make you feel like you are in control, not me ? Whatever.

So he has an awesome voice, you think Angel Dust is great, but you're not a fan of him? I'm going to say that's a [b]bit odd.[/B]

By your own special logic, you have to be a fan when you say something nice about a person. Strange. Even Michael Jackson has a good voice and some good songs. Does that make me a fan ? No.

Stop trying to cover up your mistakes. You misquoted me, plain and simple. Happens to the best, but you do it all the time.

You are familiar with Mike Patton, who, in all fairness, is a bit of a cult figure with regards to those who like him. So it doesn't make sense that you'd know him and not know this band.

Fantomas have made more than one album you know.

I was mistaken. Once out of our whole debate, I'll take that shame then.

Somehow I don't feel bad, next to a guy who spits such gems as "Jimi Hendrix was a pop star."

Checkmate? Haha, what exactly have you achieved here besides looking like a massive hypocrite who dodges every part of a post that proves him wrong?

Misinterpretations I have to correct because you can't or won't read. This post isn't about arguments, this is again me correcting you because you only read what you want to read.

Because in all honesty, what began with me proving you wrong on musical layers, had ended with me proving you wrong after you changed your opinion 90 times.