God / Religion Thread [merged]

Originally posted by Darth Revan
I find this post by WhiteEagle from the last page quite an interesting thought:
"All the religions believe that God created the world and also mankind. But if you are created by someone, you are only a puppet, you don't have your own soul. And if you are created by somebody, he can uncreate you any moment. He neither asked you whether you wanted to be created, nor is he going to ask you: 'Do you want to be uncreated?'"

Ok i had a really good reply for that post but it seems to have vanished out of my brain in the past minute. 😛

Well, i hafta say, as i said before. God isnt like that. When he created us, he had the grace to give us choice. He didnt want us to be mindless zombies (as ninjaturtle would say) and so he gave us freedom. He COULD have made us completely obedient to him but he didnt because he is gracious. (and i dont think that gracious is the right word to use there 🙄 )
And even tho he did what he feared we would and turned against him (adam and Eve), he still loved us so much that he sent his only Son to save us.
*pauses* kinda gone off tangent here.
Just a qn, how would anyone ask something that doesnt yet exist whether it wants to be created? dontgetit i dont get it! 😕

😛

Please answer my questions, I'm not gonna let you weasel out of them this time!

Originally posted by queeq
Never been to a Catholic Church then?

Being Catholic I have to say that we do indeed bow our heads in front of the crucifix and kneel at times as well.

Originally posted by Fire
explain to me what is so funny, except that it's quite hard to prove a miracle.

If not sheer impossible. That's the point of a miracle. You can only prove such a thing scientifically if one can repeat the process and the conditions. That fact that something impossible happens is not called a miracle for nothing.

Sorry FE but I don't believe you can start believing just by reading the bible or praying or going to church, you are born to one religion IMO

That's not always true, Fire. There are many people who are born into one religion, and switch due to them changing their ideas and beliefs as they age and live.

However, it has been said that the best way to become a skeptic and non-believer of Christianity is to read the bible.

yea I already thought it was that, what I ment with Prove is for example, Doctors being absolutely sure someone has Cancer and then the next day he goes in for another scan and the cancer is gone, if there exist records of both doctors appointments, that is what I would call prove of a miracle, which IMO still wouldn't prove god had anything to do wiv it.

it is to have prove of the unexplained that for me would prove a miracle, cause IMO miracles are only unexplained things, they have nothing to do with the Divine.

"yea I already thought it was that, what I ment with Prove is for example, Doctors being absolutely sure someone has Cancer and then the next day he goes in for another scan and the cancer is gone, if there exist records of both doctors appointments, that is what I would call prove of a miracle, which IMO still wouldn't prove god had anything to do wiv it."

Or a huge mistake on the part of the doctor 😛

Well BF that is what I believe, I know a lot of ppl change religion, but that is because they were already born into the religion they change in later on, they A didn't know it yet and B were prolly "forced" into another religion because of society.

Well BF if you have records of the scans and other more scientific area, you can have prove of a miracle 😛

Originally posted by BackFire
"yea I already thought it was that, what I ment with Prove is for example, Doctors being absolutely sure someone has Cancer and then the next day he goes in for another scan and the cancer is gone, if there exist records of both doctors appointments, that is what I would call prove of a miracle, which IMO still wouldn't prove god had anything to do wiv it."

Or a huge mistake on the part of the doctor 😛

Exactly. The problem here is that you can't go back to before the healing and check if you did all the tests right. And indeed, you can't prove it's divine intervention anyway. That's where faith comes in, which IMHO is not some gullible apporach to life. It takes quite a bit of character to believe. You can even see that by the way some believers are being dealt with in threads like this one.

Again, not always true. I was born into a Christian/Catholic family and raised as such (kind of). But now my beliefs have changed drastically, and they may very well change more so as I age.

I know many other people have gone through the same thing. I've read that Finti was born into a religion, but changed later due to his growth and his own personal beliefs, which didn't coincide with the religion he was born in. It simply isn't as simply as "you were just born into the religion". That's partly true, a person is usually born into a religion, but that doesn't mean that stays their religion for good.

BF for the last time that is what I believe, wether or not you believe it is something that is irellevant to me. Wether or not other ppl believe it is something I don't care about.

True I never ment to accuse anyone of the fact that believing was easy, it is quite hard. I have a lot of respect for ppl with a deep faith, it is nice to see ppl so devoted to a cause, I'm just not one of them.

And you have every right to be.

So, a person is born into a religion and they stay there for good, even if they change religions during the course of their life?

No I think you didn't get my post, you are born into one religion needs to be interpreted as in your heart, for a lot of ppl subcontiously at first you know what religion you belong too even if you had never heard of it, whatever your religion(s) are before that will never feel totaly right, then when you come in contact with that religion you are born into, it DOES feel right.

kinda like believing everyone is born to marry one specific person you can have other marriages and relationships for that but they won't work out until you find that person, which might be never.

"it is not because one does not know his goal that he will not achieve it"

Ah, I gotcha. That makes more sense that what I originally thought you meant.

I know, I'm just always curious why ppl believe the bible to the letter, I know a few ppl that do and I know tons of ppl that interpret the book (as it was ment to be IMO)

yea I figured we had confussion with the words "born into"