Ghosts of AOTC

I still don't remember it. I remember Luke carrying Vader to the ramp and then they stop and talk. Vader takes off his mask and dies. Then it goes to another scene, doesn't it?

correct, then you see that Luke carries Annakin aboard. Then you see the shutle fly away

I can't remember ever seeing Luke carry Vaders dead body on board.

What do you remember after that scene where Annakin dies?

I am pretty sure that you don;t see Luke pull Anakin on board. So I guess there is no problem about him moving the suit after all.

Why the troops leave Luke alone as he drags Vader is related to my theory about the Emperor. After the Emperor died, the troops lost the subconscious, motivational force that drove them to serve the Emperor. What does a stormtrooper do when they no longer feel the Emperor willing them to serve him? They run around like the broken machines that they now are.

Ush, please watch ROTJ; the scene is there, I know it!!
j212g: do you think that ALL the troopers were in the power of the Emperor

Stormtroopers, yes. Now I don't mean that he controlled their actions directly, but his will motivated them.

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I thought you ment that he controlled ALL his personal.

You say stormtroopers, but what about officers?

Yerssot, you are worng, there is no such scene. It cuts strauight from Vader dying to some space fighting to Luke taking off; he is never seen carrying the body or the armour after Anakin dies.

So Jameous, one of your principle objections is also removed.

What???? That's impossible!! I will chech it out in the morning, perhaps only in the letterboxed movies? 😕 😱

That's from the Speical Ediiton widescreen; there is also no mention of such a scene in the scripts.

My thorts have always been that it is sumthin to do with accepting death and dying willingly (eg: Ben puts up his Lsaber, Yoda lies down in bed and waits for death, but Qui Gon is struck down suddenly and does not die of his own free will, and vader is killed by the emperors Lightning. any holes, feel free to tell me.

That would involve no Jedi EVER having died willingly (ebfore old age, etc.). Unlikely.

Remember, it has NOT been seen before. Otherwise Vader would have known about it.

Originally posted by Vaader
My thorts have always been that it is sumthin to do with accepting death and dying willingly (eg: Ben puts up his Lsaber, Yoda lies down in bed and waits for death, but Qui Gon is struck down suddenly and does not die of his own free will, and vader is killed by the emperors Lightning. any holes, feel free to tell me.

Basically, the theory being that a Jedi who knows, and accepts their death disappears whilst a Jedi who dies suddenly, and was not expecting it doesn't vanish.

Now this theory does work for all the deaths we have seen so far. However, as Ush has said, it does appear that Vader does not expect OB1 to disappear and therefore isn't award of the trick.

The only counter theory to that I can say is that perhaps Anakin/Vader HAD heard of it, but had never seen it and was perplexed in that way.

While that is not an uncredible explantion, the presented scenario is clearly that Vader has NO idea what just happened.

I knew that scene wasn't in ROTJ!

No it isn't. Yerssot was mistaken there. Case of wishful thinking?

Nevertheless, I think Ush's argument of not seeing Anakin disappear so his ghost appearance is a surprise is nonsense. In the OT all we knew is that Jedi appear as ghosts when they die. It wasn't until TPM that there was obviously something special to it. Apart from Vader's surprise of course.
But Anakin appearing as a ghost was never meant to be some exciting climax. The entire scene breathes serenity and Anakin appearing as a ghost appears to be the ultimate reconciliation.

The weirdness begins when we see QGJ die, NOT disappear and being burned. Then we go back to ROTJ. We have seen two Jedi die and disappear. Anakin dies, does NOT disappear for what we can see (so no canon), we see him (or his suit) being burned and THEN he appears as a ghost. If we add that up and IF we see QGJ as a ghost in AOTC, the disappearing has to do something with a certain status in the Force. If not attained only fire can purge oneself to ghostlike afterlife.

I don't have the tape of ROTJ, I lost it 🙁
But I think that I switched two things: Luke didn't got Vader on the ship, what I saw is that Luke is pulling Vader with his arms, but than stops and than there is the dialog

Oh, just ASIDE from Vader's surprise, huh? You don;t think that rather settled the issue immediately?