Ghosts of AOTC

I think it's very simple!
NO Vader doesn't know a *** about dissapearing, but remember
he IS the CHOSEN ONE, he will bring balance to the Force, for that, he can do the disappearing trick by himself when he dies.

Nope, there's more to that. GL said so and said that the "more powerful than you can possibly imagine" will be explained in the next two episodes.

Yeah, but Vader didn't know about it, so he didn't know that OB1 would even train him after he died, that could be the solution of the phrase. 😕

What solution? Vader believed OB1 trained Luke to the level at which he met him on Bespin. That's all.

I agree with the Dutchman here.

Why on Bespin????
Vader 'killed' OB1 on the DS, than Luke yelled, Vader saw them, came to them, than Luke shut the door.
Can't follow why it's Bespin.

What must the chosen one do? bring balance to the force and that's it? can't he do something like disappearing whitout help?

Finti, I don't appreciate that comment. I am simply calling the shots as they seem to me and they seem pretty obvious.

In order:

"A presence I have not felt since..."

We've HAD this discussion to death already. Jedi sense MINDS in the Force. Vader recognises the mind of his old Master in the same way he would recognise his face. But it has nothing to do with Obi-Wan's force power and so that's not peroid at all.

The Emperor feels a disturbance in the Force because THE JEDI ARE RETURNING! Luke, being the son of the Chosen One, was going to have a HUGE affect on things to come, was about to make a big choice about his future and would the the centre of any forthcoming Force disturbance, seeing as that is all about sensing the future.

I am sure similar disturbances will be felt whenever Anakin has the potnetial to change things massively. But that is not directly connected to his Force power.

Luke senses the Force around the Dark Tree because his danger and future sense went off, as he was about to enter it. And such a pure, concentrated location of the Force may well be sensed.

queeq, your comment about Vader trivialising the Force makes no sense. He is not taking it in vain- quite the opposite, his comment shows his BELIEF in the Force, as opposed to a silly, plebian concept like Luck. It's the exact sort of thing I imagine all Jedi do. Something unexpected happening? It's the force. Somone having a good day? The Force. Someone bloody rebel pilot evading the finest star pilot in the Galaxy? What the heck else could it be? The Force is with him, of course!

Thank you, Darth Yogi, for taking the time to evaluate my comments rather than just rejecting them outright because they do not fit what you thought before. We do not quite agree, but at least we are on the same wavelengt.

Meanwhile, there has never been a shred of evidence that use of the Force is detectable and Palpatine being the Sith master suggests exactly the opposite. In any case, Luke wasn't even USING the Force when Vader made his comment.

If anyone makes an even vaguely credible case that Vader thought he had found a Force adept I will listen, and not a moment before.

I find the 'Strike me down' line very simple indeed. Obi-Wan knos the disappearing.ghost trick and Vader doesn't; this represents a poiwer beyond anything Vader ever imagined. Simple as that. The forthcoming explanation will be HOW Obi-Wan knows this and what exactly it is.

BTW, it is clear that Vader assumed that Obi-Wan trained Luke for far longer than hew actually did.

In ANH the tranche, what did Luke do with his boardcomputer? Was it already switched off? Otherwhise, Luke did a Force-thingie at the moment

He didn;t use thr Force to place the shot until after Vader was long gone

Yes, yerssot Luke turned of the computer and used the force, he heared the voice of Obi Wan "use the force Luke" and so he did. The next shot is from Vaders view where he says" the force is strong with this one" and that sounds pretty obvious to me that Vader feels the force in Luke. But thats just my view on it, I dont claim it to be right.

QGJ could sense the Force was strong with Anakin, he wasn't doing any Force-thingies.

He did that after seeing Anakin display Jedi-like abilities.

Vader senses Luke several times. All have been pointed out before.

Luke senses Vader in ROTJ, "Vaders on that ship"

Qui senses Ani, What did Ani do before then to make him think he has the force?

Luke senses the dark tree.

How many more examples could you need? I think you just argue to argue sometimes. 🙄

I do agree when Dodonna and Han say MTFBWY, it's like 'Break a leg' or 'good luck'. But the Force is a much more active thing. And when used or pure power in the force is present, force sensitive folks will know or sense it.

It has been long known that Sense is a major force power. It would amaze me that the CCG, West End Games RPG, and even the new RPG along with all the Books have mentioned this ability, (I know it's EU, but it would have been stopped by now if it wasn't the way GL wanted it)

"May the force be with you" was a line used by the jedi`s. The jedi`s represented the old republic. Thats why I belive Dodonna said it, to reflect to the old days before the empire and for insperation. Insperation in a way like the Texan used remeber the Alamo when they charged.

Well... yes.... sort of... but MTFBWY is also good luck. Otherwise the Hoth troops would be yelling it as they were stepped on by the AT-ATs 😂

Yes, Ush, what Force thingies did Anakin do?

Let's recap:
1. Sit in a shop
2. Scare Sebulba away
3. Buy fruit and say that sandstorms are "very....very dangerous"
4. Spot the lightsabre (due to his height)
5. Bring them home
6. Have dinner and boast about pod racing
7. Fixing his podracer

Where was the Force in that?

you could argue that he used the force to fly his podracer

You could, but the pod race was AFTER QGJ's statement about the Force being "exceptionally"strong with him.

Well, Annakin could sense things before they happend, that's why he appears to have such quick reflexes.

So, you can sense things and QGJ can sense Force-strong beings.

Doesn;t anyone listen to a word I say? When Luke and Vader sense each other it is the other person's MIND they are sensing,. NOT the Force power! Jedi can sense minds, we KNOW that. But there is still nothing which suggests they can sense Force.

queeq, is is made very clear in the film that QGJ guesses Anakin's force power by observation. He ALSO has an instinct about it, and a Jedi's instincts are very strong.

I've already handled the Dark Tree bit. Please don't bring the argument in circles; if you don't agree say why, don't just repeat it.

And Jameous, please believe me, the EU is perfectly capable of making huge non-sequiturs when it comes to the Star Wars universe; doubly so the RPG.

But I am at NO point denying that sense is a major power of the Force (which it obviously is). It's specifically the ability to sense force in OTHERS that I am denying! Please do me the courtesy of reading what I say more carefully in future.