Previous to coming to this forum, I was under the belief that Neo himself cycled through the process 5 times. I also thought Zion was near the center of the Earth, I thought the year was 2100 something and assumed the only way Neo can have powers in the real world was if IT was also part of the matrix... BOY lemme tell u, Im glad I stumbled upon this site.
They do confuse people though putting critical info in the animatrix and ETM.
One question that nobody can give a good answer to though.... WHY THE HELL did Trinity jump out of a skyscraper the way she did. I hardly believe her mind is stong enough to simply land on here feet after falling 50 stories. 😛
Trin knew that if she didn't she was going to be killed by an agent. She had to take the chance and was not concerned about dieing because if she didn't she'd die anyway. Kinda a catch 22..
Zion is near the center of the earth as stated in this convo from M1:
Neo: Zion?
TANK If this war ended tomorrow, Zion is where the party would be.
Neo: It's a city?
TANK The last human city. The only place we got left.
Neo: Where is it?
TANK Deep underground. Near the earth's core, where it's still warm.
Though, I'm confused how you thought Neo himself cycled through 5 times? The quotes listed below say very clearly otherwise. The time I can understand because I didn't connect that right away, it wasn't until the second or third time that I thought "five previous....oh. Five hundred years! Wow...they're off on their calender." LoL
Marovingian: Mark my words boy and mark them well. I have survived your predocessors and I will survive you!Architect: Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent in the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden deciduously avoided it is not unexpected and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you inexcerably here?
Neo: You haven¡'t answered my question.
Architect: Quite right. Interesting, that was quicker then the others.
Neo: Others? (What others? How many? Answer me)
Architect: The Matrix is older then you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next. In which case this is the sixth version.
Neo: Then there are only two possible explanations, either no one told me, or no one knows.
Hey Meta, youre confused as I was. Zion ISNT near the center of the Earth, that was a bad line. When I thought Zion was near the center, it added to my disbelief that it was destroyed 5 times before. In the Animatrix "last flight of the Osiris" its mentioned that Zion is 4 Kilometers beneath the Earths surface.
I thought Neo cycles through bc of the screens showing his reactions, I thought those were the reactions of his previous trips through.. but Im not as ignorant anymore 😉
True, but, the original script calls for the matrix to be near the center of the earth- I would believe the original script over the animatrix when there are conflicts because not all of the ani-shorts were were writen by the Wakowski's -- Plus, if you read the movie dialogue (the version that has the scene scripts - not just the actors dialogue) You will find this line:
Thaddeus: There is not much time.Jue: I'll make it.
The ship proceeds to the core
Jue: You know, I peeked.Thaddeus: So did I.
They kiss
Jue: Goodbye, Thaddeus.
Also the Architect clearly states that they have destroyed Zion, he did not say that there was never any rebuilding of it. But wouldn't you find it odd that there is this pristinely built city near where it's warm just waiting for you to escape the matrix and nobody lives there? I'd think it was a trap from the machines if I didn't have to rebuild it.
Lastly, watch Reloaded and note the design of the city, it spirals downward towards the core - they never said the docking station doors wouldn't ben closer to the surface. And when they are at the celebration in the depths of the city, you see molten rock all around supporting the fact that they are more than 4 miles down at that point.
That could be the location of the roof and the docking bay doors, but not, necessarilly, the entire city of Zion itself. That is the only explination I can offer you.
The Final Flight of the Osiris:
Directed by: ANDY JONES
Written By: Andy and Larry Wachowski
So it was written by the Bros. - and other than my above explination cannot give a better account for the discrepency. You can find the full transcript at http://www.matrixunplugged.net/scripts.php?script=osiris
Gravity, from my understanding, is related to mass, not depth. The mass of the earth's core is still going to effect us the same. Thus the reason large planets with heavy dense cores like Jupiter have a stronger pull than our planet. Molten Iron is actually not very dense, and thus gravity would not have such an adverse affect.
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I've posted much on this subject in various threads. Would benifit you to view all of my other threads. Here's the consolidated version:
Neo is not potentially a program unless you believe the MWAM theory (Matrix Within A Matrix) -- I do not.
The Merovingian is possibly one of the ones - but we have no evidence, just speculation and reference.
It started because the Merovingian is one of the oldes, but is implied to be younger by atleast one version of the matrix. Also, Merovingian is a quasi-biblical reference relating to a line of Kings who believed they were direct decendents of Jesus (The anomoly's (thus Neo's) quasi-biblical link) by right of the Madam Mary Madelen (however it's spelled).
It would work like this. The Merovingian, as a human, was an anomaly like Neo. He was corrupted by greed and power and, much like Cypher in M1, choose the Matrix over the real world - especially because he had power there. So he found a way to copy himself, much like Smith does when he copies himself over Bane, who then enters the real world with smith controlling the mind. So the human Merovingian would have copied himself over a machine program and become a rouge resident of the Matrix, and his body would have died. At this end he would only be a program. It assumes a lot about the past matricies and anomalies, so until we are told otherwise by the W. Bros - it doesn't hold much weight but is an interesting theory.
At the center of the core of the earth, it would, indeed, be Zero, but "near the core" suggests that it's not AT the core, just close enough to keep Zion warm. That means there would still be a good gravitational pull due to the high velocity of the spinning core and the density of the core.
However this is hollywood and simulating dampened gravity in their scenario is a little out of the reach of the movie.
Depends. Maybe it would've been better if Tank said "Mantle of the earth" but that just doesn't flow right... If that were the case, then Zion would be between 4 and 40 miles deep. It's entirely possible that they used the word Core only because it flowed better verbally when, infact, they were refering to the Mantle - which, BTW, many people do not know the difference between them...