Ok, first of all, we know categorically that the top of Zion is 4km down. Final flight is, definitively, canonical and it is also the same distance/time scales used in Reloaded itself.
We do not know how deep Zion goes but it can not possibly be the near two thousand miles needed for it to be anywhere near the outer core of the planet. That is self-evident.
Therefore I agree the line in M1 must have been metaphorical, not literal. It was probably meant that Zion was near the magma inside the crust, keeping it warm.
Meta, you quote:
"Thaddeus: There is not much time.
Jue: I'll make it.
The ship proceeds to the core
Jue: You know, I peeked.
Thaddeus: So did I.
They kiss
Jue: Goodbye, Thaddeus."
I think that proves this point. Osiris never goes anywhere near the centre of the Earth- nor could it, there would be no tunnels, ot even a solid framework to work with. Therefore that is not what they mean by Core.
Anyway, enough of that as it is not relevant to the subject. What happen to the previous Ones is not explicity known other than that they set up Zion each time and become the source of the Prophecy. One assumed they diue of old age; this is an assumption that cannot be proven.
ITALIAN> Why did Trinity jump out of the skyscraper? Getting caught means betraying the resistance. The Architect gives you the answer “The entered the mAtrix to save your life at the cost of her own." She jumped to avoid being caught, fighting, as always, to the very end. Note that she falls in a manner remniscent of how she landed at the foot of the staircase at the beginning of M1? Pure gold…
Metamorphisis> It’s a manner of speaking, when Tank places Zion near the centre of the Earth. Trust me, no “old sewers” nor cities are close to 6378 kms below the surface.
The temperatures are between 3000 and 5000 degrees! It’s four kilometers, as we’re told in Last Flight of the Osiris. That’s IN the Earth’s crust and away from dangerous magma and lava.
The Architect: “The function of the One is now to return to the source allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry reinserting the prime program.”
This sentence, aside from laying to rest ANY discussion about whether or not Neo IS the One, shows that the anomaly is disseminated (spread out), which reinserts the prime program.
This is first of all temporary. The anomaly gathers again after 100 years, and the NEXT One is “born”.
So an anomaly (One) cannot DIE. The One looses the anomaly prior to his death.
As JediHDM said (I think), the anomaly choose the 23 people, and the 24 of them go to the new Zion. The One's mind is changed so that he has no memory of going to the source, and The One is still an anomaly. That starts the legend of the anomaly. Morpheus states in Part 1 that there was a man born in the matrix that could change things at will and freed the first of them.
Omega
I know that no old city sewer ways or tunnels reach the core, and I do have a college level education majoring in science and math. My statement was to what the ORIGINAL movie script stated. On top of that, I also stated that it is quite possible that they were using the "Core" loosely for the "Mantle" in terminology. That would place the Docking station doors at 4 or 5 km from the surface, and extend the city close to the mantle of the earth, assuming that the Osiris was above a thin portion of the crust, like a driedup ocean.
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Osiris
Nothing happened to Neo - in the relevance of this thread atleast. Neo has only exsisted once, as a person who carries the anomally code. The person who started the thread was mistaken and thought Neo has DONE this 5 times, not that there were 5 different anomalies. The One, is just an anomally that carries a code causing them to reject the Matrix, the others have supposedly gone through simular scenarios, but have chosen the door that leads them to choose the 23 individuals to rebuild Zion.
ITALIAN> Why did Trinity jump out of the skyscraper? Getting caught means betraying the resistance. The Architect gives you the answer “The entered the mAtrix to save your life at the cost of her own." She jumped to avoid being caught, fighting
Theres not always an answer.. Trinity couldnt have jumped out the window expecting to live when she hit the ground. Neo would be the only one to do that, and he'd simply fly away. What a pointless thing shes doing shooting to kill the agent as she's falling.
Jumping outve the window was a guaranteed losing situation. If she chose another direction at least there was a CHANCE she could live. It was totally illogical for her to choose what she did. The only thing someone might say is maybe she forgot what floor she was on.
wait wait wait, hold up. ahem, doesn't the merovingian tell neo "i have survived your predecessors, i will survive you"? that sounds to me, semantically speaking, that the merovingian is NOT identifying himself as a previous one. it is possible, however, that he may have been an agent in a previous matrix.
2nd point, this is a minor one, the merovingian kings minted the coins for the roman empire. and yes, they did claim direct blood kinship to christ.
3rd point, this is something that has been going through my head for awhile now: i think that neo himself is human, but he was imprinted with the programming for the one by the machines as a sort of failsafe (like the system recovery discs you get for windows or even more simply, an installer). the one (at least in the previous matrices) fulfills his purpose by choosing the door or whatever the architect's fascination was at the time, then is one of the first inhabitants of the next version of zion, and presumably he dies. then of course there's a new one that has to be found by the humans (although somehow deep down, i doubt seriously they were as singlemindedly devoted as morpheus is)
last point, i don't believe that the merovingian is actually part of the matrix, nor persephone or the oracle. they are part of the machine mainframe, maybe like virus scan software or something, which may explain how he, the oracle, architect, etc, have survived throughout the various versions of the matrix. remember, the matrix is actually for the humans, the machines simply knew of man's physical need for sensory input to survive, so we'd make good batteries.
ok, now i digress.
Italian
Watch the movie again. A) she knew what floor she was on, she didn't just jump, she dove and had no hesitation once she was out the window. B) She had no where else to go. She was thrown through a wall into a room (not a door), the only exits in that room - as a standard office building - are the door and the window. There is an agent where the hole in the wall is and there's an agent that kicks in the door. The window was the only choice. She knew she was going to die, but wanted to attempt to kill an agent trying. She did not want to die for nothing. As Omega said
Getting caught means betraying the resistance. The Architect gives you the answer “The entered the mAtrix to save your life at the cost of her own." She jumped to avoid being caught, fighting, as always, to the very end. Note that she falls in a manner remniscent of how she landed at the foot of the staircase at the beginning of M1? Pure gold…
That is a very good answer.
Neo Dragon
Point one about the Mero not being the one. I agree that he's not. I have, for the sake of debate and stirring of new ideas, have been fighting the point from the side that he is.. I see that there is good evidence that he could be, but I'm still not convinced. As for his comment about surviving the predocessors - if he was the first anomally, he would have still survived 4 of the the others.
Your second point is part of my arguement that he is a copy of the residual digital self of a previous anomaly because of the quasi-biblical referenc.
Your third point is an interesting take. However, the Mero isn't weeding out anything remotely like a virus, and, is actually saving some that are virus like -- The Twins, and the two "vampire" programs you need a silver bullet to kill. But he would not be part of the machine mainframe if he was a previous one who copied himself over! The Oracle, though, has no purpose without the Matrix. She was designed to interface with the Matrix to study humans. And (I'm saying this with 99% certainty) being the mother of the Matrix, now serves to propigate the life of the Matrix by leading the anomaly down the path he needs to find to complete the cycle. Persophone I have no arguement for because we don't know everything that she is about -- but she did come to the Matrix with the Mero, so she was either programmed to do something, or the anomaly that became the Mero (in the Mero is a previous anomaly theory) copied over his equivallent of Trinity to live forever with him inside the matrix. 🙂 Hence the main arguement I don't believe the Mero is a previous anomaly....
Meta, I'll never agree with any of that. Cmon, I think Trinity is well aware of the fact that there is no such thing as killing an agent. They just come back somewhere else, it doesnt accomplish anything. The woman is knowingly falling to her death and still trying to pointlessly kill an agent.. and she's trying so hard ! The point that Im trying to make is this was a silly part of the script, they shouldve had her THROWN out the window, wouldve worked just as well and wouldve been sensible.
So, lets see,
option #1 face an agent face to face..
or #2 jump out the window to your certian death..
Which would you choose !!?? hahaha
facing ONE agent is not the problem at hand, it was facing TWO agents...Neo, as a man, had trouble with ONE, what makes trin think she can survive two? she goes out the only way she can, to jump...in her mind, jumping is a safer bet than staying and fighting, thus, if she has a chance, she is gonna try to make sure she makes it away, thus, she turns around and starts shooting that Agent, so that, if she CAN kill him, and DOES live through the fall, she is able to get away...however, the point can be made that, that Agent is not an Agent, not like we know them, cause she HIT him MULTIPLE times, and he kept shooting...it was almost as if he was just an illusion...i know he wasnt, cause we see blood fly out when the bullets exit, but its almost as if the system wanted to MAKE SURE she died, so the AGENT couldnt exit until she was dead. i dont know, however, i think i would rather jump out a window and make sure that im not taken by agents, than by taken by agents, perhaps become a traitor, etc...
Jedi, aside from taking Morpheus prisoner in M1, when was there a another time that they would want capture someone? Theyre always looking to kill. The only instance was only because they wanted Zions mainframe codes.
So youre thinking she thought she could live from a fall like that. I dont understand how. I never noticed what you said about the bullets hitting the agent and blood flying, gotta watch for that next time 😉