What happend to Neo the previous 5 times?

Italian

There are atleast two clear instances I can think of when she hits the agent in M2, because he is not able to manuver his body to dodge them as he is in the air, the aim would be much better. However, him being shot through the chest he doesn't die imediately...the program doesn't close, and he would continue until he hit the ground. The bullets hitting him are most apparent in the opening sequence.

In M1 - she shoots the agent in the head after saying "Dodge this." The same agent does not reappear, in M1 or M2....

I doubt that she thought she could've survived the fall -- but that's not the point...

Take a chance with the bullets, falling from 50 stories only equates to splatter. But thats just me. 🙂

I doubt that she thought she could've survived the fall -- but that's not the point

In M1 - she shoots the agent in the head after saying "Dodge this." The same agent does not reappear, in M1 or M2....

Itailian

"Dropkicking the agent and running" have been told to fail in M1 when Morpheus said "Anyone who has ever stood their ground, who has fought an Agent has died..." (The quote might be slightly off in wording, but I don't have the movie in -- deal with it! lol) And then Cypher told Neo "When you see an agent, do what we do....run!" This only suggests that dropkicking an agent would be futile, unless the agent had an immediate hold on you. Trinity put his head through a wall before she jumped out the window, and it didn't phase him!

As for the agent being killed or not...even if she only killed the body he was in, he would have had to find another body within close proximity to her late at night on the 65th floor of an office building. But she wouldn't have had a chance of shooting him if he was able to move and dodge.

And just because you don't believe you're going to make it, doesn't mean you don't hope you would.

Lets see how you'd react!! **Summins Agent clones to ambush Italian and throw him through the window** j/j 😆

"Everyone who has jumped outve a 50 story building, everyone jumping from this height in the Matrix has died.... please understand that this jump program is for training purposes only. Trinity, if you do this in the Matrix you WILL have to be mopped up"

Morpheus to Trinity lost transcript.

beside the script and plot that is riddled with holes, I only have one more question. At the end of reloaded when trinity drove the bike into the building. What caused that massive explosion? A bike crashing into a building isnt going to cause any kind of explosion,and if it does it's going to be on a low scale rather than an explosion that has a ball of fire reaching 30 stories. Im sure i missed somthing. So did i?

Italian

I guess Trinity just forgot that lesson? LoL Ofcourse, I'd rather jump than deal with bullets, mercury poisoning (That crap the injectedin Morpheus in M1 looked like liquid mercury!!), or any of that like. But then again, I jump out of perfectly good airplanes to pass the time so.... *mind drifts to the sky*👽 <-- been dieing for a reason to use him!

Rages
Uhh---the pyro crew on the set got a little happy and ordered more cap cable than they needed?? Or maybe there was a gas line and boiler in the building? Or Trinity loaded up with C-4 RDX Plastic compound explosives before actually entering the matrix (like the seen in M1 where Neo says "Guns, lots of guns"😉 and then packed them onto the bike? I think that last one would be most probable because of her statement "In 5 minutes I'll tear that whole goddamn building down.."

yeah that is the answer i convinced my self to accept. I was just wandering if it perplexed anyone else. Seeing how nothing was addressed to it in the movie. I know it doesnt matter, but matrix fanatics make everything matter within the matrix. One more question then. How were they able to transport physicall matter out of the matrix into the real world? In reloaded, right before Agent smith assimulated and copied himself onto the two "matrix soldiers" who were being chased by him. The guy who got away. Put somthing in his pocket which we see Neo have later. It was the message from the oracle

Originally posted by Metamorphisis
[b]Italian
In M1 - she shoots the agent in the head after saying "Dodge this." The same agent does not reappear, in M1 or M2....
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Just a small point... again... that's not true. There are only three Agents in M1 and all three are with Neo for the finale. That Agent does re-appear.

Neither of Smith's cronies are in the second ffilm though.

I think, therefore, Italien thought you meant that Trinity had permanently killed that Agent- I doubt you meant that.

how does the architect keep returning to the same point in time to confront Neo? I mean if Neo chose the door that reloads the matrix 5 times before,then that means there have been five different times when the architect returns in time to the exact point to confront Neo. Ive asked this numerous time infact it's what the thread is dedicated to. Someone always gives me self made matrix philosophy. I'm probably mis understanding what was stated in reloaded, if so can someone correct me? or give an opinion. On how the architect can do this, and what the logic is of there being five different time's. I mean after Neo enters the door to reload the matrix with his code. is he and Zion suppost to just live on while time keeps repeating itself?

Rageremorse> Why don’t you read the replies in the threads you post in, instead of asking the SAME QUESTIONS?
There ARE no time-loops. This is not the year 2199. It’s closer to the year 2699.
So please stop calling it "holes in tjhe plot" simply because you don't grasp what's going on.

no every one just replies with in depth philosophies or interpertations of the story. the actuall year has no point or relivance in my question. Never mind though. You know im not the only one who has found these HOLES in the matrix. There is an internet out there full of websites de-gracing the matrix for the same question. the same question that cant be answered by matrix enthuiests. Why would you even think that the actuall year has anything to do with my question? it could be year 90375 for all i care. it doesnt hide the fact that there is a time loop of some sort. if this wasnt the case Then please answer my question. What happened to Neo's physical body the prior five times in reloaded and assisting the matrix's new design? When Neo walked into the room he was informed this had happend five times. this means the architect some how finds a way to go back to the point in past where he confronts Neo. Neo enters the door that reloads everything. what happens then? is Neo then plugged into the matrix again so he can be saved again and repeat the process? if not then what happens to everyone outside of the matrix,and neo's physical body? guess my question cant be grasped

Because the matrix is a loop. Everything in the matrix has a purpose and a certain path is created that is almost EXACTLY the same everytime, so yes, they always direct the one in the same direction and the Architect is always there waiting, and they always have to shut off power to the power grid.

Only thing different this time is Trinity and the issue of love.

It's not so much as the same "point in time" to confront THE ONE, it's a similar window once the pattern of recognition of the ONE starts.

What happened to him the previous 5 times? Once he rescued the 23 people from the matrix to rebuild zion, the code he is carring is uploaded to the matrix to reboot/patch it. After that I guess the guy goes of vacation for all I know. Maybe that code he has gave him the powers.... since he overwrote some code onto Smiddy and now he's all powerful.

Make sense?

rages, why are you assuming it was Neo... There were 5 previous "ones" , they werent Neo himself...

and as far as the Architech always being there, you talk like he's a person. You dont think the Architech is a real person do ya? He's a program, and his job can be to sit in that chair for all eternity... simply to wait for each returning ONE.

i thought Neo got his powers from the matrix being the unperfection of the matrix design(the fault of the design). thats how the architect explained the anomaly Neo is. No i dont think the architect is a man, but it would still require time travel. Unless Neo was the One the previous five times.being plugged back into the matrix,after choosing the survivors of zion only to repeat the process.If this is the case then the whole theory makes no sense, because the architect said that this had all happend before. When the architect said that this had happend 5 times before that is what Proves Neo was the one the previous five times. Because of trinity. He said that the last five times he was pitted with the same desicion to eigther let trinity die or try and save her. So if Neo Thoeretically enters the door that reloads the matrix, then rescues 23 survivors,and is plugged back into the matrix to repeat the process. How does trinity and everyone else that died come back to life?

Over looking all of this . What will the matrix do when Neo dies of old age or natural causes? he wont be around to repeat the process.

You aren't paying attention or listening. Why would it require time travel?

People go to work the same time everyday, go through the same lights, eat lunch at the same time, same place, and it never requires time travel.

It's called a routine. A path is what the ONE follows, Morph says it himself. The programmers set up a path for the ONE to follow. The code that is NEO's essence gave him his powers in the matrix. He's code just happens to be an anomaly, just like people born albino. Mind's essence must be translated into code in the matrix. He was a predication, so they know he's coming. It's not that hard to understand.

After he dies of old age, a new anomaly is eventually born, just like an albino. The process repeats once the ONE is discovered. Just like before.

Neo was the One the previous five times.being plugged back into the matrix,after choosing the survivors of zion only to repeat the process.If this is the case then the whole theory makes no sense, because the architect said that this had all happend before. When the architect said that this had happend 5 times before that is what Proves Neo was the one the previous five times. Because of trinity. He said that the last five times he was pitted with the same desicion to eigther let trinity die or try and save her. So if Neo Thoeretically enters the door that reloads the matrix, then rescues 23 survivors,and is plugged back into the matrix to repeat the process. How does trinity and everyone else that died come back to life?

the architect explained neo's abilities as being the imperfection of the matrix design. Maybe he was chosen to be born, but wasnt chosen to be then one, unless fate comes into play which they dismiss in reloaded. they say the prophecy was a lie. The prophecy cant be a lie. For the simple fact that they are alive.

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
Neo was the One the previous five times.being plugged back into the matrix,after choosing the survivors of zion only to repeat the process.If this is the case then the whole theory makes no sense, because the architect said that this had all happend before. When the architect said that this had happend 5 times before that is what Proves Neo was the one the previous five times. Because of trinity. He said that the last five times he was pitted with the same desicion to eigther let trinity die or try and save her. So if Neo Thoeretically enters the door that reloads the matrix, then rescues 23 survivors,and is plugged back into the matrix to repeat the process. How does trinity and everyone else that died come back to life?

They're not the same people! When he said that it's happened five times before, he meant other anomalies followed the path of The One. He didn't mean that Neo did the same thing five other times, and he never said that he had to choose between Trinity and saving Zion. The other anomalies never experienced love. That's what everyone is trying to tell you.

no, NEO is not the same ONE...everytime, a person BORN IN THE MATRIX is endowed with the anomaly code at random, and everytime the matrix is reset, that ONE lives in ZION until he dies, at which point the Oracle prophecies that the ONE will be BORN AGAIN, and it happens...NEO is not hundreds of years old, have you even SEEN Matrix?