The OFFICIAL "For those who've seen Revolutions"

A BIG FAT DISSAPOINTMENT! Crap all the way around. I agree whole-heartedly with Dark Virus... you lovers of this 3rd rendition of Matrix would of loved it regardless of the outcome. Tell me one - JUST ONE - mystery of any significance that was answered in this action-fest without brains. This was suppose to be the ending of the trilogy, but instead of answering questions it creates more. How does Neo have powers outside of the matrix? (can only be guessed). If the architect is not suppose to LIE, why did his response about the Oracle being the mother appear to be a lie (admit it, his 'please' sounded like a put-down in Reloaded). Perhaps the brother's are only concerned with revealing the answers in their online game, or whatever. But movie goers got screwed. Let me throw in a FEW things I liked, if I can...

1) BANE played his part VERY WELL. (there). He had Smiths mannerisms down PAT. Cool. Unlike the Oracle's new shell - who ran through her dialogue about twice the speed of the original. She not only changed her shell, but her mannerisms as well.... which made the familiar connection with her all but disappear.
2) Persephone was nice to look at, once again. But ONE LINE?! Her character was all SEX APPEAL and nothing more. A BIG opportunity for character development flushed down the toilet there!
3) Where the hell were the TWINS? Okay - nothing else positive to say, except the action was kick but - but TOO MUCH of the same thing. And the burly brawl was much better than the final fight in this movie. Nothing new. Give me a week and I could of come up with some better fight ideas (seeing them fight more through 'their' vision, for example... some real opportunities to see the matrix code go at it). All-in-all, the matrix series became like another bomb: "Dumb and Dumber"

The last big opener I saw was SPIDERMAN (don't get out much, yeah) and the theatre roared in approval as the ending credits rolled. A numbed silence ended my viewing of this dibacle. Silence speaks louder than words. Or perhaps the matrix crowd are the thoughful types. Make a choice - take the red pill ! Wait for the DVD.

Why wait for the DVD when I can see it now, Visman? 🙄

And it's not Gloria Foster's fault she died!

And Persephone was made only to play as the Merv's wife, and she did a few things in Reloaded.

Also, that "Oh please," from the Architect was more like a "You call her the Oracle? Pfft!"

vizman, I agree with you ^^

It was a horrible disappointment.

As I am too upset at the horrendous ending of Revolutions, I must idle on this overnight to gather my thoughts to start a well thought out rant tomorrow.

I remember watching the original Matrix for the first time and thinking 'OK. they better tell me WHAT the Matrix IS..and it better not be some BS cult of hackers...'
When they DID show it, Neo waking up in the pod, the fields..., I was utterly blown away.

Tonight I walked into the theater thinking..ok...they BETTER explain exactly what the hell is going on...and I had HIGH hopes!
Sadly, I didn't leave with that same sense of satisfaction...*sigh*

Sorry, off-topic. Isn't the quote in The Omega's sig from M1 when Neo meets Trinity at the club? I knew Omega was a she from other threads, but I thought the picture used was more of a clue than the quote.

Haven't seen Revolutions yet, so I unfortunately can't add to the discussion.

******Why wait for the DVD when I can see it now, Visman?

Cause it sux, Cap'n

*****And it's not Gloria Foster's fault she died!

The shell-switching idea is great due to the unfortunate death - but the replacement is an ACTRESS. Maybe she could of tried to ACT more like the original??

******And Persephone was made only to play as the Merv's wife, and she did a few things in Reloaded

Yeah - like THE KISS and helping them find the keymaker. All hormones. Pretty surface level for a MATRIX movie. come'on, people!! Scratch the surface a little! You'll find that's where it ends.

The first movie opened up the possibilities of dual realities and hidden meanings... the second, lesser movie, at least answered some questions and brought to light some other DEEPER possibilities. (MWAM, Smith Virus, Mother, Persephone, Seraph, the TWINS, etc.) The last big belly-flop threw everything into a blender and pressed FRAPPE! ZING! ZANG! POW! and finally Neo's wish: PEACE! With the machine's still running the show. But the SUNSET!!! IT WAS SOOO BEAUTIFUL!!!! the matrix lives on. CASARA! (someone tell me how to spell that correctly)

God, I too agree completely totally with virus, The ending was a DISSAPOINTMENT. There was no applause, full house today too. Hey Omega, if all the answers were displayed, why don't you SHARE them with us in more open terms, and that ,means simplifying them into real answers. I want to know wtf is gonna happen, so ZION is just going toi remain underground FOREVER? Humans get dominated by the Machines still? What a crappy form of Peace, wow, their army is still going to be above Zion forever I guess... And even the architect himself told the oracle, "How long do you think this peace will last"? What kind of comment is that? PFFFFFFFFFF, Yeah, No more movies My Ass.

A SUNSET!!! HOORAH!! AND IT DIDN'T EVEN EXPLAIN THE ARCHITECTS COMMENTS ABOUT THE 6 MATRIX's AND 6 NEOS BEFORE HIM, AND WHY DID THEY SHOW THE CLEAR SKY? WHY DIDN'T HUMANS JUST GO UP THROUGH THE CLOUDS BEFORE? OH WAIT I GUESS THEY"LL JUST STALL?!?!?!?!??!!

I want a REAL ending, lazy ass Wac. Bros.

coming from a guy who didn't watch trailers, read reviews, or try to find anything out at all... i thoroughly enjoyed the movie. Answers were given, loose or not, and it was their ending.

But from this stated ignorance, i have a few questions. What happened to the oracle, why was she different? What was the childs "purpose" at the end? How did she do that for neo? OH, and what's this I hear about the online matrix?? Anyways, just wanted to add some thought and mostly questions.

If you like shoot'em-ups and haven't followed this movie religiously - by all means spend your 8 to 12 bucks. But you want to see a real bad-a-- battle - wait for THE RETURN OF THE KING ( i hope < }

***THEORY OF SMITH'S POWERS***

Whenever a One occurs a counter-One is placed inside of the Matrix. This time Neo was so strong that the counter-One also exceeded the counter-ones before.

***OTHER POINTS***

Smith was simply a virus. He could not understand Neo when Neo stood up after being knocked down as he could not understand that it was his choice. Even having the Oracle's abilities, he, as the Oracle explained, could not see past the choice he could not understand. The fact that he used 'Everything that has a beginning has an end' and then was surprised at it shows that the end, as he saw it was simply faked by the Oracle. She gave herself up on purpose to fool Smith into the situation that killed him. Just like Neo fooled him into making contact which resulted a direct link from the Machines that in turn infected Smith and all of his clones (other infected software) and destroyed them. She did it and came back, so in the end, all i have to say is that Neo is not dead.

discuss....!

im tired of all ur guys's talk, u didnt write the matrix, n it JUST CAME OUT!! look how long we've been talking about reloaded, wut is it now, 6 months? n we still didnt come to an agreement about anything even after revs came out!! n now its out n all u guys care about is the ending, but think about everything ELSE in the movie! Maybe a 'lil message like, nobody can know what the future is, because the future isnt written? or the future is what you make it? its cliche i know, but still, it works. anyway, my question is more important, what did SERAPH do previously to make him so "notorious" to the mero and smith? He wasnt in the first one (was he? mabye in the waiting room?? gotta check, dont htink so tho) so who was he and what did he to know the mero well enough that the dialogue between him and merv could take place "ARE YOU HERE FOR THE BOUNTIES SERAPH?" i dunno. but anyway, take the movie in stride, take it as it is, a movie, take it as the finale with your own endng.

I got to get some shut eye.
If the Wac. bro's get a clue, they'll shelf this movie and do it over.
HEY. PERHAPS ITS PART OF A DIABOLICAL PLAN TO PUT OUT SEVERAL VERSIONS OF THIS MOVIE - a MATRIX of endings! Tommorow may be a new day! How deep does this rabbit hole really go???
I think we hit rock bottom. And the rabbit STINKS!
sweet dreams.

no answers?

Originally posted by trainman

Smith was simply a virus. He could not understand Neo when Neo stood up after being knocked down as he could not understand that it was his choice. Even having the Oracle's abilities, he, as the Oracle explained, could not see past the choice he could not understand. The fact that he used 'Everything that has a beginning has an end' and then was surprised at it shows that the end, as he saw it was simply faked by the Oracle. She gave herself up on purpose to fool Smith into the situation that killed him. Just like Neo fooled him into making contact which resulted a direct link from the Machines that in turn infected Smith and all of his clones (other infected software) and destroyed them. She did it and came back, so in the end, all i have to say is that Neo is not dead.

How is Neo's direct connection with the machines any different from all the other people's connection who were not unplugged from the Matrix and were also assimilated by Smith. I see no difference but is there?

Originally posted by DARKVIRUS
O_o yah.....so hey the re-process thing me and my buddies were thiking the same thing.

The other one still does'nt make sense, the living bodies were still there after the shells of smith were deleted. Perhaps the effect of the "deletion" process itself is what killed neo, he screamed as if it was to much for him so maybe that's what killed neo....I dont think he was deleted.

Yeah, you know virus, these guys have super weak arguments, Using their Logic, I could come up with a theory Like "The machines allowed Smith to spread, and what did they get? THEY GOT NEO TO COME THEM!!! Their dream come true, AND THEY GET TO KILL HIM!!! God, your points are weak people, and its what the wac. brothjers wanted I suppose, to have it 'open for interpretation", which is completely DISAPOINTING. I COULD HAVE LEFT IT UP TO INTERPRETATION BY NOT PAYING TO SEE THE MOVIE. I WANTED THEM TO GIOVE ME A FINAL EXPLANATION, which is why you would go to the movie in the first place......

I really liked every single persons post in this thread. Heres what I thought.. I saw the movie at 1:05 PM today.

I really liked the action scenes because I am a HUGE DBZ FAN, but I guess it wasn't original for the movie; but it makes me believe the live action DBZ movie will work just fine.

The movie seemed to be going at a rapid speed, it seemed like they just wanted to rush to the ending which kind of pissed me off. The Twins weren't in it, that pissed me off. Neo and Trinity died, that pissed me off...I almost had a tear when Trinity died...

I thought it was disgusting when Neo's eyes were fried by Bane...If I were Trinity I wouldn't hug that horrible monster. It indeed was sad though. NEO!!! ::CRIES::

I think Neo is dead, if I was Neo and survived the superbrawl I wouldn't want to live without my love Trinity. No reason for him to go on without love.

I liked the ending where it shows the cat, and then the deja vu thing happened again with the same cat when the Matrix was restarted.

What else.. I WANTED TO SEE SERAPH KICK SMITHS ASS IN THAT ROOM!!!! Did he get taken over by Smithy too?

Anyway, from a scale from 1 to 10, I would give this movie a 6.5

I would have to agree with everyone, WE could of made a better ending.

I can answer Xemir's question #5. It was because they needed the Anomally to restart the Matrix if it screwed up like the last 5 times.

Originally posted by trainman
***THEORY OF SMITH'S POWERS***

Whenever a One occurs a counter-One is placed inside of the Matrix. This time Neo was so strong that the counter-One also exceeded the counter-ones before.

discuss....!

Noooooooooooooo, Neo was not too strong acording to the idea that I am guesisng your following, that the machines always encounter this anaomoly. This is what they wanted, wasn't it? I mean, the counter-one, Smith, was supposed to spread like teh san diego wildfires, right? Because look what the machines got, Neo knocking on ther front door, in the Matrix in MII, And in the real world, why? Because he wanted to broker a deal. The machines didn't have to stop their attack, they could wipe out Zion easily, you saw those huge ass ships with those guns, They just wanted the anomoly, and they wanted smith to spread so that Neo could kill smith, and the Mahcines could simply Kill Neo, kill two biords with one stone for teh machines, one of those birds of course you created, smith. BUT, even this is way to loose, so they shouldn't have left it open for interpretation........... You can give as many explanations as youw ant, but I bet you won;t give an explanation for the 6 zion's before and wtf will happen with Zion now,

and the NEW matrix being Built, seen in the very Beginning of the Film that I bet you didn't notice......

Firstly, what's all this nonsense about applause in the cinema? No-one ever claps after any film, at least not here in England. It's just not done.

Anyway, here's the explanation of the multiple Zions as given in the second film, for those who weren't paying attention. Basically, there will always be people who reject the virtual reality of the Matrix, and these people wake up. There has to be a place, a "zoo" to keep all these people in, so this is Zion. When Zion is destroyed the first few times, there is no longer anywhere to put the people who wake up, so it has to be rebuilt.