Omega storm just quoted an article she can not give you information that is not in that article since she didnt write it.
Also she said it was interesting she didnt say she agreed with it, she said it was interesting
idd in his article he does not say why it will rise. But do you have any evidence that can state that it will not rise? cause actualy most of this is highly debatable and mostly speculation.
Homer_clone> Please point to WHERE in the article you linked to, that it says the number of addicts will rise.
Cocaine is addictive NOW. People are ALREADY hooked, and what speed DOES it already does today. So what is YOUR point??
Yes, pot impairs driving. SO DOES alcohol. Is your point, that any substance that impairs driving should be illegal??
Fire> The only reason I see AGAINST legalising drugs, is the idea that “many” or “a lot” of people will get hooked who are not already hooked today.
I’m asking for those who believe this, to tell me WHY they think this is the case. I’ve asked this many times now, I still have not got an answer. It’s not my job to say why I don’t think the number of addicts will rise, just because those who thinks this will happen are unable to tell me why they think it will.
Originally posted by The Omega
Fire> The only reason I see AGAINST legalising drugs, is the idea that “many” or “a lot” of people will get hooked who are not already hooked today.
I’m asking for those who believe this, to tell me WHY they think this is the case. I’ve asked this many times now, I still have not got an answer. It’s not my job to say why I don’t think the number of addicts will rise, just because those who thinks this will happen are unable to tell me why they think it will.
Originally posted by The Omega
Homer_clone> Please point to WHERE in the article you linked to, that it says the number of addicts will rise.
Cocaine is addictive NOW. People are ALREADY hooked, and what speed DOES it already does today. So what is YOUR point??Yes, pot impairs driving. SO DOES alcohol. Is your point, that any substance that impairs driving should be illegal??
Fire> The only reason I see AGAINST legalising drugs, is the idea that “many” or “a lot” of people will get hooked who are not already hooked today.
I’m asking for those who believe this, to tell me WHY they think this is the case. I’ve asked this many times now, I still have not got an answer. It’s not my job to say why I don’t think the number of addicts will rise, just because those who thinks this will happen are unable to tell me why they think it will.
U cannot force someone to learn something, experience is the best teacher.... allowing everybody who wants to use drugs to do so would teach everybody what they want to know...
No matter how much u tell people that taking drigs is bad, they won't stop thinking about doing it until they actually do it or decide it IS indeed wrong themselves.. so let them make the decision, if they are weak they will make a mistake, but it can be treated,if they want to and then they'll know not to do it again...
Originally posted by el_barto
well think about it THIS way. When they made beer,liquer, wine.... less people drank them. But now they are legal again the rate has GROWN (see my point)
What the HELL are you talking about?! 🤨 Please explain to me...when they MADE beer liquer and wine...do you even know how long wine has been arround, and BEER, and liquor too? 🤨
Homer_clone> Please point to WHERE in the article you linked to, that it says the number of addicts will rise.
Cocaine is addictive NOW. People are ALREADY hooked, and what speed DOES it already does today. So what is YOUR point??
Yes, pot impairs driving. SO DOES alcohol. Is your point, that any substance that impairs driving should be illegal??
Will you have the common courtesy to answer my questions, please?
El_Barto> “When they made beer,liquer, wine.... less people drank them.”
Eh? What are you talking about? Beer, liquor and wine has been around for thousands of years.
Storm> Oh, goodness! So, I ask a question. No one is capable of answering it, the reply is being avoided. Why should I start answering, when no one else does.
Do you think the number of drug-addicts will rise if drugs are legalised? Then answer me why. THEN I’ll tell you why I do not think that will be the case (I have already discussed this before, please read the entire thread, thank you).
The Omega> I read the entire thread.
"Legalizing Drugs will take the thrill out of Drugs and people won't use them."
Did alcohol use decrease when it was legalized? No. When abortion became legal, did abortions decrease? No. When an action becomes legal, the number of people carrying out that action increases. Drugs are not different.
How about young children and teenagers? They won't be able to purchase drugs, just as they can't purchase alcohol. Pushers would then concentrate on young people.
"But taking drugs is an individual's choice...."
Individuals have the right to do as they see fit, as long as they do not harm anyone else. They choose to put the drugs inside their body, and they have the right to make that choice. But we can' t do everything we want with our body. Can I walk down the street naked? Can I say what I want anywhere I want? (if you said "yes" to the last question, try yelling "hijack" on a plane)
In addition to people not being able to do "whatever they want" with their bodies, drugs do not just hurt the person who chooses to use them.
For instance - I am sure people have heard about flashbacks from LSD. So, let's people stay inside in their own home and take LSD - that can't hurt anyone - right? After all, it's in their private home - right? LSD can cause flashbacks years after taking the drug, at any time. Is that person going to have a flashback while sitting at home - or while driving? Or while operating machinery? If that person has a flashback while driving the bus and an accident results, will people be so quick to say that the bus driver's "choice" to take LSD didn't hurt anyone else?
In fact, teaching children that drug use is their "choice" increases acceptance of drug prevalence and use by making both use and non-use viable options.
By teaching children that it is their choice whether or not to use drugs, children are learning that drugs are acceptable in society while they are being indoctrinated to eventually vote for drug legalization.
"Legalizing Drugs Will Reduce Crime.."
Crime will also not be reduced by drug legalization. Drugs cause violent behavior.
Has anyone considered that the reason that people committed a crime was because they were on drugs in the first place - legal or not? That they weren't necessarily committing a crime to get illegal drugs, but the drugs themselves caused a violent behavior (which would not magically go away if the drugs were legal) which lead them to committing a crime -something that would not have happened if they had not taken drugs? In actuality, crime will rise when drugs are legal because more people will be taking drugs. Crime is high in high-drug use areas not because people are committing a crime to get drugs, but the influence of the drugs made them more inclined to commit a crime.
Originally posted by Storm
[b]"Legalizing Drugs Will Reduce Crime.."
Crime will also not be reduced by drug legalization. Drugs cause violent behavior.
Has anyone considered that the reason that people committed a crime was because they were on drugs in the first place - legal or not? That they weren't necessarily committing a crime to get illegal drugs, but the drugs themselves caused a violent behavior (which would not magically go away if the drugs were legal) which lead them to committing a crime -something that would not have happened if they had not taken drugs? In actuality, crime will rise when drugs are legal because more people will be taking drugs. Crime is high in high-drug use areas not because people are committing a crime to get drugs, but the influence of the drugs made them more inclined to commit a crime. [/B]
No. that is complitely wrong information, where did you get it from?
I study criminal law, and there was nowhere a reported cases of violence of people under the influence of any common illegal drug. All violence that happenes DOES NOT happen because people are under the influence! The crime would go down, dramaticly so, because of, as i said 100000 times in the thread, the underground business, that deals with drugs right now, uses the money to supply guns and many fund terrorism too. Thats not a matter of oppenion, that is a fact!
Think about it yourself Storm...i'll give you prime examples of heroin and cocain...
Heroin is a derivative of morphine, which in turn derivevs from the opium poppy whos effects amongst many other is stimulation of the central nervous system, which produces surge of pleasure followed by a dream like state....how can something that stimulates your central nervous system, that also derives from morphine make you violent?! Bullshit.
Cocaine is also a stimulant, and even though people on it experience euphoria which is followed by depression, again, is very unlikely to be violent!
Mushrooms make you halucinate, LSD too...when you hallucinate, you are not going to be violent...towards whom, when you cant decide what is real and what is not...you enjoy the state rather then go get into fights or whatever.
Speed is a durty drug, but it doesnt make you violent.
Heroin or cocain adict will not hit his wife, his wife will beat the shit out of him....alcoholic will beat the shit out of his wife however.
Every fight that has happened outside pubs or clubs or anywhere else public was due to alcohol and no other drug.
''Crime is high in high-drug use areas not because people are committing a crime to get drugs, but the influence of the drugs made them more inclined to commit a crime.''
Absolutely wrong statement! YOu couldnt be farther from the truth..its other way arround actually.
High drug areas are there because people commit crime to get the drugs...usually there is a ''nest'' arround there somewhere, which is a building that has been abandened, and taken over by drug users adn drug dealers. ''The nest'' is where most murders and dealings happen, not by drug users but by drug dealers...
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
No. that is complitely wrong information, where did you get it from?I study criminal law, and there was nowhere a reported cases of violence of people under the influence of any common illegal drug. All violence that happenes DOES NOT happen because people are under the influence! The crime would go down, dramaticly so, because of, as i said 100000 times in the thread, the underground business, that deals with drugs right now, uses the money to supply guns and many fund terrorism too. Thats not a matter of oppenion, that is a fact!
Think about it yourself Storm...i'll give you prime examples of heroin and cocain...
Heroin is a derivative of morphine, which in turn derivevs from the opium poppy whos effects amongst many other is stimulation of the central nervous system, which produces surge of pleasure followed by a dream like state....how can something that stimulates your central nervous system, that also derives from morphine make you violent?! Bullshit.
Cocaine is also a stimulant, and even though people on it experience euphoria which is followed by depression, again, is very unlikely to be violent!
Mushrooms make you halucinate, LSD too...when you hallucinate, you are not going to be violent...towards whom, when you cant decide what is real and what is not...you enjoy the state rather then go get into fights or whatever.
Speed is a durty drug, but it doesnt make you violent.Heroin or cocain adict will not hit his wife, his wife will beat the shit out of him....alcoholic will beat the shit out of his wife however.
Every fight that has happened outside pubs or clubs or anywhere else public was due to alcohol and no other drug.''[b]Crime is high in high-drug use areas not because people are committing a crime to get drugs, but the influence of the drugs made them more inclined to commit a crime.
''Absolutely wrong statement! YOu couldnt be farther from the truth..its other way arround actually.
High drug areas are there because people commit crime to get the drugs...usually there is a ''nest'' arround there somewhere, which is a building that has been abandened, and taken over by drug users adn drug dealers. ''The nest'' is where most murders and dealings happen, not by drug users but by drug dealers... [/B]
Peloquin - yes, i know, you're right, just as always. 🙂
homer_clone> . Please tell me a person who will buy drugs from a dealer on the corner, full of immpurities, which will not get him as half as high as pure drugs from chemist will, and will in process kill him because someone put rat poison or washing poweder in the drugs so that they would weigh more? Please tell me who will do that?
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Peloquin - yes, i know, you're right, just as always. 🙂homer_clone> . Please tell me a person who will buy drugs from a dealer on the corner, full of immpurities, which will not get him as half as high as pure drugs from chemist will, and will in process kill him because someone put rat poison or washing poweder in the drugs so that they would weigh more? Please tell me who will do that?
If I research it? I study this kind of crap every day...and i do know a bit more about it.
You have so far shown no evidence or proof of your argument (if there ever was one), therefore, its only your openion, and information i have provided was a fact, so therefore, you cant tell me Im wrong, since ive sen no evidence you provided, disproving any of my points.