(Sigh) Yes I read that and it has fu#K all to do with drugs and all to do with how the government is handling the problems of society.
And just because if we stop bashing our head against the brick wall that is your skull it will remain a brick wall...I shall respond as such:
(Source: Abraham, Manja D., University of Amsterdam, Centre for Drug Research, Places of Drug Purchase in The Netherlands (Amsterdam: University of Amsterdam, September 1999)
Lifetime prevalence of marijuana use (ages 12+)
Comparison Year: 2001
USA: 36.9% Netherlands: 17.0%
Past month prevalence of marijuana use (ages 12+)
Comparison Year: 2001
USA: 5.4% Netherlands: 3.0%
Lifetime prevalence of heroin use (ages 12+)
Comparison Year: 2001
USA: 1.4% Netherlands: 0.4%
Incarceration Rate per 100,000 population
Comparison Year: 2002
USA: 701 Netherlands: 100
Per capita spending on criminal justice system (in Euros)
Comparison Year: 1998
USA: €379 Netherlands:€223
Homicide rate per 100,000 population
Comparison Year: Average 1999-2001
USA: 5.56 Netherlands: 1.51
"There were 2.4 drug-related deaths per million inhabitants in the Netherlands in 1995. In France this figure was 9.5, in Germany 20, in Sweden 23.5 and in Spain 27.1. According to the 1995 report of the European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction in Lisbon, the Dutch figures are the lowest in Europe. The Dutch AIDS prevention programme was equally successful. Europe-wide, an average of 39.2% of AIDS victims are intravenous drug-users. In the Netherlands, this percentage is as low as 10.5%."
Source: Netherlands Ministry of Justice, Fact Sheet: Dutch Drugs Policy
"The number of addicts in the Netherlands has been stable - at 25,000 - for many years. Expressed as a percentage of the population, this number is approximately the same as in Germany, Sweden and Belgium. There are very few young heroin addicts in the Netherlands, largely thanks to the policy of separating the users markets for hard and soft drugs. The average age of heroin addicts is now 36."
Source: Netherlands Ministry of Justice, Fact Sheet: Dutch Drugs Policy
Your responce: ?
Originally posted by Peloquin
(Sigh) Yes I read that and it has fu#K all to do with drugs and all to do with how the government is handling the problems of society.And just because if we stop bashing our head against the brick wall that is your skull it will remain a brick wall...I shall respond as such:
(Source: Abraham, Manja D., University of Amsterdam, Centre for Drug Research, Places of Drug Purchase in The Netherlands (Amsterdam: University of Amsterdam, September 1999)
Lifetime prevalence of marijuana use (ages 12+)
Comparison Year: 2001
USA: 36.9% Netherlands: 17.0%
Past month prevalence of marijuana use (ages 12+)
Comparison Year: 2001
USA: 5.4% Netherlands: 3.0%
Lifetime prevalence of heroin use (ages 12+)
Comparison Year: 2001
USA: 1.4% Netherlands: 0.4%
Incarceration Rate per 100,000 population
Comparison Year: 2002
USA: 701 Netherlands: 100
Per capita spending on criminal justice system (in Euros)
Comparison Year: 1998
USA: €379 Netherlands:€223
Homicide rate per 100,000 population
Comparison Year: Average 1999-2001
USA: 5.56 Netherlands: 1.51
"There were 2.4 drug-related deaths per million inhabitants in the Netherlands in 1995. In France this figure was 9.5, in Germany 20, in Sweden 23.5 and in Spain 27.1. According to the 1995 report of the European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction in Lisbon, the Dutch figures are the lowest in Europe. The Dutch AIDS prevention programme was equally successful. Europe-wide, an average of 39.2% of AIDS victims are intravenous drug-users. In the Netherlands, this percentage is as low as 10.5%."
Source: Netherlands Ministry of Justice, Fact Sheet: Dutch Drugs Policy
"The number of addicts in the Netherlands has been stable - at 25,000 - for many years. Expressed as a percentage of the population, this number is approximately the same as in Germany, Sweden and Belgium. There are very few young heroin addicts in the Netherlands, largely thanks to the policy of separating the users markets for hard and soft drugs. The average age of heroin addicts is now 36."
Source: Netherlands Ministry of Justice, Fact Sheet: Dutch Drugs Policy
Your responce: ?
Dude!!!! Soft drugs are LEGAL in Amsterdam...LEGAL!!!! What that shows is a society that accept people will take drugs, realise that if you give people freedom and respect they will respond in kind. What that shows is what can happen if you legalize soft drugs in a society and it's impact on hard drug usage as well. Now go back and read it!!
It clearly shows that the problems with drugs will lessen if you make soft drugs legal, mainly pot. Look at the facts.
it's the exact opposite of what you said, the EXACT opposite.
Brick wall...(smack smack smack smack)
Crime goes down, people in jail goes down, deaths go down, abuse of hard drugs goes down....wake up to yourself FFS! All your comments are about what 'might' happen, here I have given you facts about what 'has' happened and still you're blind to the truth.
Drugs are just sex for the mind... do it too much and your gonna get a rash. Only this one don't go away, because your mind is different then... other parts! So, legalize it all you want. No one's gonna force you to do them... just be careful. Don't go all Ozzy on me and not make any sence because you have wet-brain! 💃
Originally posted by Peloquin
Dude!!!! Soft drugs are LEGAL in Amsterdam...LEGAL!!!! What that shows is a society that accept people will take drugs, realise that if you give people freedom and respect they will respond in kind. What that shows is what can happen if you legalize soft drugs in a society and it's impact on hard drug usage as well. Now go back and read it!!It clearly shows that the problems with drugs will lessen if you make soft drugs legal, mainly pot. Look at the facts.
it's the exact opposite of what you said, the EXACT opposite.
Brick wall...(smack smack smack smack)
Crime goes down, people in jail goes down, deaths go down, abuse of hard drugs goes down....wake up to yourself FFS! All your comments are about what 'might' happen, here I have given you facts about what 'has' happened and still you're blind to the truth.
Originally posted by Peloquin
Well I've had my say, made my points. None of which have been challenged by any intelligent response so I call my part in this done and over. If you Homer-Sheep come up with something mature and reasonable to say I will respond. Your ignorance is something I could do without.
Hey, Daddy-O, you sayin I'm stupid? Because if you are, then I guess that you called me stupid, eh ? What say you, eh ? Not so high and mighty are you, eh ?
Homer_clone, were you dropped on your head as a child many times?...Why am I responding to this I'll never know.
My friend... you have been saying that if you legalize drugs then the situation will get worse...yes?
I have responded to that by showing you FACTS about a government who did legalize 'soft' drugs and FACTS about how their society was effected by it. Look at the stats in that post I made and tell me is that not exactly what you were talking about and does that not state that what DID happen is the exact opposite of what YOU imagine would happen.
READ THE DAMN THING!!! is it in another language that the one you speak? I don't know maybe it is...come back to me with something that disputes one of those facts.
well i care shit about this topic. if they legalize drugs which they wont then ill be here just like el barto to rub it in if things dont go well.
BTW i dont give a **** about other countrys problems and what proof do you have that things will work in the US just like they will in amsterdam please answer this
What proof do you have that it wont? What I have shown you is a place where it does work and isn't that enough to give it a try? Cause the way the U.S is going about it now sure is working for em hey.
Just close your eyes bud, keep thinking what you're told to and don't worry It'll all be over before you know it. 🙂 Those nasty people wont get you to think, I mean how dare they. Would you like fries with that?
and BTW if you really wanted to solve the problem...I mean if you cared about how drugs hurt people then wouldn't a society structure like Amsterdam be of major fu4King interest to you? What they're doing is helping bring down all the bad shit you accuse drugs of. But as you said you couldn't care less. Think about that one.
Originally posted by homer_clone
I live in the place and beleive me its a very nasty place you have no idea how much retards live here
Well bud you're a shining example. Sorry but you've been shown that some of your ideas need revision and you haven't bothered to take that on and try to improve yourself. What else would you call it.
yes you're right I apologize for that. C'mon you have to admit that you set yourself up for it though. I asked you to reply to the statistical facts I presented you and you responded by letting me know the place you live has a high population of 'retards'.
I'm only trying to help you man, Your beliefs on this topic are wrong. I have not presented you with opinion, I have shown you history and fact. My insult was more directed at the ignorance you're fighting for rather than you personally.
spent 3 years living in the U.S. I've been all over the world originally from Ireland which I left in 1982. Since then I've travelled. I know quite allot of the world and have family all over. I'm a practising transpersonal psychologist for the past 15 years so I'd say that gives me some insight into people. Back to you....
(as the ball goes over the net and it's homer_clone for the return)
oh I have to ask... quote :"we live where there is crime over drugs and we can picture something in our mind"
What the??