Originally posted by lil bitchiness
No. that is complitely wrong information, where did you get it from?I study criminal law, and there was nowhere a reported cases of violence of people under the influence of any common illegal drug. All violence that happenes DOES NOT happen because people are under the influence! The crime would go down, dramaticly so, because of, as i said 100000 times in the thread, the underground business, that deals with drugs right now, uses the money to supply guns and many fund terrorism too. Thats not a matter of oppenion, that is a fact!
The experts also believe that legalization will lead to increased availability of drugs, which will, in turn, lead to increased use. The use of drugs, especially cocaine, crack, methamphetamine, and PCP, is often associated with violent criminal behavior.
A report in the Journal of the American Medical Association (7/6/94) reports that cocaine use is linked to high rates of homicide in New York City and that "homicide victims may have provoked violence through irritability, paranoid thinking or verbal and physical aggression which are known to be pharmacologic effects of cocaine."
An April, 1994 report titled "Violent Drug-Related Crime" compiled by the Drug and Crime Data Center and Clearinghouse indicates that drugs are used by many offenders committing crimes. In 1991, the following percentages of state prison inmates involved in violent offenses reported that they had used drugs at the time the offense was committed:
Data from the National Institute of Justice (U.S. Department of Justice) Drug Use Forecasting (DUF) program underscore the crime-drugs link. Of a sample of males arrested in 23 U.S. cities in 1993, the percent testing positive for at least one drug in the DUF survey ranged from 54% in Omaha to 81% in Chicago. Among female arrestees, the percent testing positive for any drug in 20 cities ranged from 42% in San Antonio to 83% in Manhattan.
A May 1993 Bureau of Justice Statistics report states that "Drug use was common among inmates serving time for burglary, robbery or drug offenses. Among inmates serving a sentence for burglary or robbery, about 6 in 10 inmates had used drugs in the month before the arrest for the current offense, and about 4 in 10 were under the influence at the time of the offense."
The same study indicates that female inmates were more likely than male inmates to have used drugs in the month before the offense (54% versus 50%) and to have been under the influence at the time of the offense (36% versus 31%). Another finding of the study indicated that among 18-49 year old males, those who had used alcohol, cannabis and cocaine at some point during the past year were ten times more likely to commit a violent act (26.1 percent versus 2.7 percent) than those who used none of the above.
The International Association of Chiefs of Police published a report in 1993 titled "Violent Crime in America." It states "Drug abuse and crime, both violent and nonviolent, are linked. National Crime Victimization surveys in 1989 and 1990 revealed over 2,000,000 crimes committed by offenders under the influence of drugs or alcohol...this represented 36% and 34% of total violent crime recorded by the surveys."
Bureau of Justice Statistics surveys indicate that "25% of convicted inmates in jails, 33% of state prisoners, and 40% of youths in state-operated facilities admit being under the influence of an illegal drug at the time of their offense" (BJS, Drug and Crime Facts, 1992)
Data from Bureau of Justice Statistics surveys show that 77.7 percent of jail inmates, 79.6 percent of state prisoners, and 82.7 percent of youths in long-term public juvenile facilities had used drugs at some point in their lives.
Department of Justice statistics indicate a growing number of young arrestees are marijuana smokers. Data from 12 major urban areas showed a sharp jump, from 16.5% in 1992 to 26% in 1993, in teenage arrestees who tested positive for marijuana, the Department said. And this is the modern, high-test marijuana, about three times (sometimes more) the strength of the 1960s and 1970s weed.
DEA (the Drug Enforcement Administration)
Originally posted by Storm
It is the experience of many local police officers that crime is committed not only because people want to buy drugs, but more often because people use drugs. There is no denying the fact that drug use changes behavior and exacerbates criminal activity.The experts also believe that legalization will lead to increased availability of drugs, which will, in turn, lead to increased use. The use of drugs, especially cocaine, crack, methamphetamine, and PCP, is often associated with violent criminal behavior.
A report in the Journal of the American Medical Association (7/6/94) reports that cocaine use is linked to high rates of homicide in New York City and that "homicide victims may have provoked violence through irritability, paranoid thinking or verbal and physical aggression which are known to be pharmacologic effects of cocaine."
An April, 1994 report titled "Violent Drug-Related Crime" compiled by the Drug and Crime Data Center and Clearinghouse indicates that drugs are used by many offenders committing crimes. In 1991, the following percentages of state prison inmates involved in violent offenses reported that they had used drugs at the time the offense was committed:
Data from the National Institute of Justice (U.S. Department of Justice) Drug Use Forecasting (DUF) program underscore the crime-drugs link. Of a sample of males arrested in 23 U.S. cities in 1993, the percent testing positive for at least one drug in the DUF survey ranged from 54% in Omaha to 81% in Chicago. Among female arrestees, the percent testing positive for any drug in 20 cities ranged from 42% in San Antonio to 83% in Manhattan.
A May 1993 Bureau of Justice Statistics report states that "Drug use was common among inmates serving time for burglary, robbery or drug offenses. Among inmates serving a sentence for burglary or robbery, about 6 in 10 inmates had used drugs in the month before the arrest for the current offense, and about 4 in 10 were under the influence at the time of the offense."
The same study indicates that female inmates were more likely than male inmates to have used drugs in the month before the offense (54% versus 50%) and to have been under the influence at the time of the offense (36% versus 31%). Another finding of the study indicated that among 18-49 year old males, those who had used alcohol, cannabis and cocaine at some point during the past year were ten times more likely to commit a violent act (26.1 percent versus 2.7 percent) than those who used none of the above.
The International Association of Chiefs of Police published a report in 1993 titled "Violent Crime in America." It states "Drug abuse and crime, both violent and nonviolent, are linked. National Crime Victimization surveys in 1989 and 1990 revealed over 2,000,000 crimes committed by offenders under the influence of drugs or alcohol...this represented 36% and 34% of total violent crime recorded by the surveys."
Bureau of Justice Statistics surveys indicate that "25% of convicted inmates in jails, 33% of state prisoners, and 40% of youths in state-operated facilities admit being under the influence of an illegal drug at the time of their offense" (BJS, Drug and Crime Facts, 1992)
Data from Bureau of Justice Statistics surveys show that 77.7 percent of jail inmates, 79.6 percent of state prisoners, and 82.7 percent of youths in long-term public juvenile facilities had used drugs at some point in their lives.
Department of Justice statistics indicate a growing number of young arrestees are marijuana smokers. Data from 12 major urban areas showed a sharp jump, from 16.5% in 1992 to 26% in 1993, in teenage arrestees who tested positive for marijuana, the Department said. And this is the modern, high-test marijuana, about three times (sometimes more) the strength of the 1960s and 1970s weed.
DEA (the Drug Enforcement Administration)
GOOD POST! (lets see them beat that)
EDIT: im totaly against legalizing drugs
Originally posted by Storm
It is the experience of many local police officers that crime is committed not only because people want to buy drugs, but more often because people use drugs. There is no denying the fact that drug use changes behavior and exacerbates criminal activity.The experts also believe that legalization will lead to increased availability of drugs, which will, in turn, lead to increased use. The use of drugs, especially cocaine, crack, methamphetamine, and PCP, is often associated with violent criminal behavior.
A report in the Journal of the American Medical Association (7/6/94) reports that cocaine use is linked to high rates of homicide in New York City and that "homicide victims may have provoked violence through irritability, paranoid thinking or verbal and physical aggression which are known to be pharmacologic effects of cocaine."
An April, 1994 report titled "Violent Drug-Related Crime" compiled by the Drug and Crime Data Center and Clearinghouse indicates that drugs are used by many offenders committing crimes. In 1991, the following percentages of state prison inmates involved in violent offenses reported that they had used drugs at the time the offense was committed:
Data from the National Institute of Justice (U.S. Department of Justice) Drug Use Forecasting (DUF) program underscore the crime-drugs link. Of a sample of males arrested in 23 U.S. cities in 1993, the percent testing positive for at least one drug in the DUF survey ranged from 54% in Omaha to 81% in Chicago. Among female arrestees, the percent testing positive for any drug in 20 cities ranged from 42% in San Antonio to 83% in Manhattan.
A May 1993 Bureau of Justice Statistics report states that "Drug use was common among inmates serving time for burglary, robbery or drug offenses. Among inmates serving a sentence for burglary or robbery, about 6 in 10 inmates had used drugs in the month before the arrest for the current offense, and about 4 in 10 were under the influence at the time of the offense."
The same study indicates that female inmates were more likely than male inmates to have used drugs in the month before the offense (54% versus 50%) and to have been under the influence at the time of the offense (36% versus 31%). Another finding of the study indicated that among 18-49 year old males, those who had used alcohol, cannabis and cocaine at some point during the past year were ten times more likely to commit a violent act (26.1 percent versus 2.7 percent) than those who used none of the above.
The International Association of Chiefs of Police published a report in 1993 titled "Violent Crime in America." It states "Drug abuse and crime, both violent and nonviolent, are linked. National Crime Victimization surveys in 1989 and 1990 revealed over 2,000,000 crimes committed by offenders under the influence of drugs or alcohol...this represented 36% and 34% of total violent crime recorded by the surveys."
Bureau of Justice Statistics surveys indicate that "25% of convicted inmates in jails, 33% of state prisoners, and 40% of youths in state-operated facilities admit being under the influence of an illegal drug at the time of their offense" (BJS, Drug and Crime Facts, 1992)
Data from Bureau of Justice Statistics surveys show that 77.7 percent of jail inmates, 79.6 percent of state prisoners, and 82.7 percent of youths in long-term public juvenile facilities had used drugs at some point in their lives.
Department of Justice statistics indicate a growing number of young arrestees are marijuana smokers. Data from 12 major urban areas showed a sharp jump, from 16.5% in 1992 to 26% in 1993, in teenage arrestees who tested positive for marijuana, the Department said. And this is the modern, high-test marijuana, about three times (sometimes more) the strength of the 1960s and 1970s weed.
DEA (the Drug Enforcement Administration)
Homer_clone> Please point to WHERE in the article you linked to, that it says the number of addicts will rise.
Cocaine is addictive NOW. People are ALREADY hooked, and what speed DOES it already does today. So what is YOUR point??
So you think acohol sould be illegal since it impairs driving? And also, if the price on drugs is reduced through making them legal - how should the pushers be able to sell them at a lower price? The pushers still have to pay for the drugs they want to sell. Bying drugs at a pharmacy and selling them cheap is bad for business. Can you see this???
No, wait. Don't answer. You have refused to for page and page on end. I give up. You refuse to see reason or argue rationally. Your post on Amsterdam shows ignorance of the kind that is absolutely scaring!
The Force> Thats a good question, and once that society should try to answer. However, the facts are, that SOME people do use drugs, whether or not they're legal. I suggest we legalise drugs (since people take them anywas), to get cleaner drugs and reduce drug-related crimes.
Storm> Did people stop drinking alcohol during Probation? Do women stop using abortions to stop unwanted pregnancies because they're illegal? No and no. You cannot make something illegal. Only dangerous.
Pushers already today target children and young teen-agers. Legalising drugs would make "pushing" obsolete, adyou could get the drugs cheaper and safer on prescription.
I'm not saying it should just be a free choice. We must educate kids and teenagers to the real dangers of drugs. Look at what the campaigns against smoking have accomplished.
Alcohol also causes violent behavior. Do you want to make alcohol illegal?
Peloquin> Nicely researched - as always. You try to talk some sense to "those" people. I give up.
Storm, WindDancer, I'm Fuzzy> Are police-officers experts in psychology, physiology and sociology? I think not. So, yes, drus are related to crime. Now. Drugs illegal. What is the POINT? By legalising them we'll get rid of crimes related to addicts trying to get the money to buy expensive, illegal drugs. You don't think that's a good thing????
Driving in itself is not dangerous. I can drive, and drive fast, without getting killed. Taking cocaine, heroine or other drugs IS dangerous - just taking them once is dangerous. So the "down-the-hill" argument doens't work.
Find me someone who'll take hard drugs if they were legalised if you want to show MORE people will take drugs.
This became the scientific thread. Where is your own opinion folks? I think most of you have not life experience to talk about something that only happens to others or are limited to your own and nearest friends experience - short, I hope - and to some medical articles.
This is my post from some pages back
"Legalize it...It is better for all and it is worst for dealers.
Dugs addiction is a disease, more social and medical support, higher punishment for dealers...."
I only remind all of you that drugs are not the beggining the addiction does not stargt with drugs. There are a lot of social and psichological factors that are a condition to use drugs and to become addict. Ofc, there some stupid exceptions.
I started smoking weed only when I thought I was mature enough to control it, when I was about 19 years old . I do it socially like other people drink or smoke tobacco. I have more responsabilities in life than most of you nd I know my own handicaps and skills. Ofc if my child began to smoke weed I think he will have a serious punishment, unless I could see that he was maturity enough too do it. But I would not like to see it smoking, even a cigarrete bcs it depends of our own control and only we know what is happening in our mind.
For example. I am sure that I will never use another kind of drugs because I dont know if I will control the probabilities of bacame addict.
Basically, There a lot of drugs and some good uses for soem drugs. I dont believe in stupid articles that say exactly the opposite of reality. There is a lot of polemic and economic and political reasons to legalize or illegalize it. I suppose there are more articles about addiction than addicts but they are not wrote by that ones who are suffering or otherwise they were wrpte by ex addicts who are always trying to explain the how bad addiction is but dont talk about their psichological problems wich help them to become addicted...Obviously by how bad their experience was, they hate drugs and can not see some benefits, and ofc most of these are the rich ones. Its not necessary to post an article with the % of ex addicts who have money to make a desintoxication and the % of poor ex addicts...The % of these ones shall be insignificant. Only because the poor ones were addicted and the rich ones were only ill people nedding medical cares.
And waht to say abot those who have a medical prescrition of antidepressive or ansiolitic pills for years and who live with us an apparently ordinary life, but who are reaaly addicted since they change theur basical attitudes. I know a lot of them who are always smilimg.
One of my ex girlfirneds changed dramatically her personality bcs of some pills that a supposed well know psichiatrist gave her. She was always stupidity happy. There were not any problems in her life until shhe wake up.
This is one of the most common cases in society today. And they are all legal.
I never trusted psichiatrist. They are common doctors with a simple especialization in psichiatric...But I like psichologists. I have a lot of "psico" friends and they are not only theorical doctors who solve people problems with prescriptions, they help us to search the essence of our problems. Oc there good psichiatrists who use psico-therapies but the stupid old school keep forgetting the personal situation of the patient.
Maybe we shoul split this thread in four or five trheads bcs there are a lot of things to say and to abbord this topic.
Originally posted by The Omega
Storm, WindDancer, I'm Fuzzy> Are police-officers experts in psychology, physiology and sociology? I think not. So, yes, drus are related to crime. Now. Drugs illegal. What is the POINT? By legalising them we'll get rid of crimes related to addicts trying to get the money to buy expensive, illegal drugs. You don't think that's a good thing????
Driving in itself is not dangerous. I can drive, and drive fast, without getting killed. Taking cocaine, heroine or other drugs IS dangerous - just taking them once is dangerous. So the "down-the-hill" argument doens't work
Here are some of the basic duties that LAPD officers (or candidates)must go through:
http://www.lapdonline.org/get_involved/become_officer/sworn_police_officer_class_title.htm
Officers may not have bachelor's degrees in Psychology or Sociology, but it appears that one of the basic duties is "Performing numerous other activities in support of the community policing philosophy ". Which could imply certain knowledge of Social Sciences. Hence both Psychology and Sociology qualifies.
Now what do we gain by making drugs legal? Simple just another Capitalist product of explotation. Just like the way Alcohol became exploited in America in the 1920's. Let's say drugs become legal in US, what is going to happen? Easy, Big Corporations will take over, and partnerships will be made between Drug lords and also CEO. Then we will have huge billboards with young ppl smokin a joint in a party, and saying "it's cool". Could that really solve the problems of abusers or crack heads? Nope.
One of the main reasons (IMO) why drugs shouldn't be legalize is the fact that in the end Big Business (Capitalist business man) will take over, and just make the product look cool. Where do I get sucha an idea? Easy, look at the Tobacco industry as an example. What do they care the most? "new customers" which trigger the youth. If by allowing drugs to be legalize, and if Big corporations take over the industry it would be the same cycle as cigarretes.