Should all drugs be legalized?!

Originally posted by WindDancer
Look at my earlier post I mention of a possible scenerio if drugs become legal. Big Corporations will take over the industry, and probably change the chemical compunds of weed to make it more addictive. Just like the Cigarretes Corp did when Tobacco was legislative. Like I mention earlier by allowing drugs to be legal the contents will of weed can be alter to make it more addictive. That's what Big business want to make a product so addictive that ppl can't resist. The same thing that happen to Tobacco will happen to weed if it is legalize.

Ok, few points...

Weed is a herb, naturale, its not a chemicaly made drug, therefore you cannot change its compounds to make it ''addictive'' or whatever. They can put stuff in weed, but that will cost a large amounts of money, to put something in weed to make id addictive, the company would make a loss before it makes any profit, if they were to do that.

Number two, weed being illegal had nothing to do with it being a drug, it was a threat to paper printing industry, as well as it became threath to cloth industry...

Another point, weed is already legal - Amsterdam. Has thier society destroyed itself?

If drugs are legalized, I don't think more people will actually use drugs, but I think the people who already use illegal drugs will simply use more of them, which in turn will create many deaths by overdoses, which sounds fine to me.

My point is, a lot of people use illegal drugs in the USA. If they become legal, more people will use them. Attractive women will wander around bars giving out free samples of ex, they'll have the methamphetamine girls entertain at halftime with hip hop numbers. More people will use drugs if recreational narcotics become legal. Don't kid yourself.
As far as more people dying and that being fine. That only plays out if the only bad health issue related to drug use was death.
There would be thousands more money spent on emergency care for drug users, accident care from drug related injuries, longterm disability for stroke victims from drug abuse etc, etc.

HUH? They won't add anything to weed to make it addictive?
They concentrated the amount of nicotine in cigarettes to make it addictive.
Has Amsterdam imploded?
No, they sell mild weed and some hashish, but there is still a thriving illegal drug trade there because the government- regulated versions of these things are so mild compared to the street versions. Do you think they'd make all drugs legal.
Not on your life.
And finally, for anyone that thinks the commercial money that drugs would bring in would offset the additional health costs. Nope. It didn't happen with cigarettes, an industry which is taxed to death already and it wouldn't likely to happen with narcotics. It would be just another giant sucking hole in the beleaguered healthcare industry.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Ok, few points...

Weed is a herb, naturale, its not a chemicaly made drug, therefore you cannot change its compounds to make it ''addictive'' or whatever. They can put stuff in weed, but that will cost a large amounts of money, to put something in weed to make id addictive, the company would make a loss before it makes any profit, if they were to do that.

Number two, weed being illegal had nothing to do with it being a drug, it was a threat to paper printing industry, as well as it became threath to cloth industry...

Another point, weed is already legal - Amsterdam. Has thier society destroyed itself?

That is correct Marijuana is natural leaf that comes from the soil. But from what I understand it has THC (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol, yes I look it at in a book😄) that contains 400 other chemicals. The dilema is whether these chemicals can be alter by a Chemist to make it more addictive. In other words if the weed is legalize, and the CEO of a Corp. wants to make it more addictive (in order to increase sales), he could hired Chemists to manipulate the compounds thus a posibility (only a posibility) of making weed more addictive.

As for the costs (or profits) of such operations is easy. All the CEO has to do is introduced into the Markets investors, and say "this product will make you rich" invest into it. Or he just go to his bank, and borrow the money (since by then the weed is legal, he can do all this without breaking any laws) simple as that.

Your point about Amsterdam is interesting, but I cannot discuss it because I don't know much about the law of that country. From what I understand it is legal, but only in certain designated areas (like coffee shops as an example). It hasn't destroy their society, and Amsterdam is a large market. So it might work in a country like the Netherlands, but what if it happens in the largest Capitalist country of the world (The USA)? Can the outcome be the same as in Amsterdam? It may not be the same at all.

QUE LA MARIHUANA SEA LEGAL!!!!

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Ok, few points...

Weed is a herb, naturale, its not a chemicaly made drug, therefore you cannot change its compounds to make it ''addictive'' or whatever. They can put stuff in weed, but that will cost a large amounts of money, to put something in weed to make id addictive, the company would make a loss before it makes any profit, if they were to do that.

Number two, weed being illegal had nothing to do with it being a drug, it was a threat to paper printing industry, as well as it became threath to cloth industry...

Another point, weed is already legal - Amsterdam. Has thier society destroyed itself?

yes BUT the tittle is "SHOULD ALL DRUGS BE LEGALIZED" we are not just talking pot or some other lowclass drugs we are talking about ALL drugs that means cocaine,angel dust, exetera exetera. My point is, is that we are talking about ALL drugs not just the small town ones THE HEAVY DUTY ONES ALSO

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Where does that say in your statistics or the article?

Did they make drugs legal and then collect this data? I dont remember such an occurance being recorded? How did they ''experiment'' with legalization?

no drugs make ppl agro and wanna kill ppl 🙁

weed is indeed legal in the netherlands under very strict conditions, it is indeed working out rather well altho they get a lot of critism for it from other countries and the gouverment takes big efforts to make sure that everything runs the way it should be

Storm> Sorry, I must’ve missed that post of yours the first time around.
Okay, let’s see at “failures” of previous legalisation. The 1919-1922 scenario doesn’t tell me HOW the effort failed. In what way did it fail?

Marijuana> California, 1976: Do you perhaps have the exact number of drivers under the influence, especially compared to driving under the influence of alcohol. I am certainly not saying your numbers are wrong, I’d just like comparisons.
Alaska, 1970s: Doubling of use. Was that new users or addicts using more?
Patrick Murphy: What evidence suggests it would worsen the problem? Also, how do you suggest helping the children in question?
But the good Dr Herbert Kleber seems to follow the reasoning that legalising drugs should allow these substances to become a consumer good like alcohol. That is not the point I’m trying to make.
England 1980’s: This time-frame in Britain’s history was also the Thatcher era. Saying the number of addicts rose solely because of doctors prescriptions is completely ignoring the social aspects of Britain at the time in question.

Claiming there is no link between social circumstances (poverty, unemployment, stress, etc) and the (ab)use of drugs is grossly misreading the facts of the matter.

Windancer> Could you please address the points I made in my previous post?

BF> 😄

Homer_Clone> But you do not KNOW that MORE people will use illegal drugs, if they become legal. Would YOU start using hard drugs if they became legal?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
What the HELL are you talking about?! 🤨 Please explain to me...when they MADE beer liquer and wine...do you even know how long wine has been arround, and BEER, and liquor too? 🤨

WHAT I MEANT TO SAY (sorry i was in a hurry) when they made alchohal ileagal less people drank it BUT this was the start of orginized crime. so how do u know this isnt gonna blow up in these peoples face if they legalize drugs just like it blew up when they made alchohal ileagal

Originally posted by The Omega

Homer_Clone> But you do not KNOW that MORE people will use illegal drugs, if they become legal. Would YOU start using hard drugs if they became legal?

The Omega, we've been trying to raise that point and ask that question all the way through the thread, and NO ONE adressed or answered it, its being avoided...permanatly...

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Right, well i had a debaite at university about this...about the legalization of all drugs. Should they be all ligalized or not?! Well, my personal openion is that yeah they should, and this why,

75% of all crimes (in UK) happen are drug related drugs..i.e. people steeling to get money to buy drugs, or a drug deal gone bad. More people die every year from alcohol and tobaco then they do from illegal A and B class drugs

I think that legalization of drugs would wipe the underground drug business compitely and drug related crimes would go down! Why would you go to the dodgy drug dealer on the corner to buy drugs when you can get them from your local Chemist? They can penalise it, likethey do cigarets here in the UK (£5 for a pack of sigs in Brighton)

There ARE gonna be some consiquences due to this in a short term, but in a long term, i think it could work.

The so-called war on drugs has been going...what about 90 years no..a bit over..and nothing has really been improved...

so..what do ppl think...yes or no?! 😕 discuss...

consider this,alcohol is legal and when some people get drunk they want to fight,drive and do plenty of other irrational things..I consider it one of worse drugs out there..so why is legal and something like pot is not? it all comes down to the government making a buck of it.

if I decided to distill my brew in my basement id get arrest for it even though alcohol is legal..Hmmm

well I dunno about a broad but one of the main guide lines of the goverment in belgium is to protect all those who live in belgium from threats posed by other ppl and threats posed by themself.

Originally posted by Storm
😕 Did you read Dr. Herbert Kleber' s article?

I missed the first post first time arround...take a look at which one i quoted!

Ok, they experimented, by giving the ADDICTS FREE drugs, and then they argued that the use increased! Well duuh! 🙄

The use increased! 😱 no shit!

Of course the use increased, THEY WERE GIVING FREE DRUGS TO ADDICTS!!

No one said that there will not be problems in short term with legalizing drugs, but in the long term they would work!

In the long term, illegalisation of drugs failed and is failing miserably.

As for the driving under the influence of weed, why dont you compare that with the people driving under the influence of alcohol.

Also Dr. Herbert Kleber uses words like ''probably'' in his openion on the rise of drug use!

Originally posted by badkittykitty
the war on drugs is a waste of tax payer money for one thing..people are gonna get drugs regardless..not only that but you said is true,if drugs were legal it would whip out most drug related crime.

consider this,alcohol is legal and when some people get drunk they want to fight,drive and do plenty of other irrational things..I consider it one of worse drugs out there..so why is legal and something like pot is not? it all comes down to the government making a buck of it.

if I decided to distill my brew in my basement id get arrest for it even though alcohol is legal..Hmmm

👆 exactly

I'm glad you were able to read that.after re reading what I wrote I missed so many letters that it sounded like i typing drunk myself! 😂

OK if we legalize drugs (as you have said) MORE PEOPLE WILL TAKE THEM so do you know if you take drugs your judgement is even MORE impared than when you are drunk? SO! alot of crimes are done by drunk people AND EVEN MORE do crimes when they are under the influence of DRUGS! so if we are giving drugs out to junkies when they are legal THEY CAN TAKE AS MUCH AS THEY WANT and not get busted for taking them. So they PROBABLY will do a crime since they will take them at an even higher rate AND probably they will take them DAILY (like cigerates)

on an earlier reply somebody said the use of drugs did not arouse violence go here, it has proof that they do.
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/basicfax.htm#q1