movie. Plus, MJ is a much more well known character.
“I also hated the fact that we never heard peter think to himself.sorry narration and hearing thoughts are two totally different things.You cant have a spiderman movie without hearing his thoughts,with supes and bats,no problem,bus spidey is a different case.That was one thing I rreally liked about the 90's cartoon was how they brilliantly had peter think to himself in that show.I wanted to hear him say things like-SHOULD I AKS MJ OUT,WHAT IF SHE SAYS NO,I'LL LOOK STUPID,NO I BETTER NOT.”
Internal monoloque is really tough to do in movies, especially when the person doing most of the narrating is wearing mask. It was a great part of his character, but it would not have worked in the movie. People would have lost track of who was talking to who and what was being said out loud and what wasn’t.
“I ALSO hated the fact that he was never wisecracking like spidey is suppose to when hefights.man,spidey NEVER shuts up when he fights baddies!!!!!”
I agree 100%. This was my biggest complaint about the movie.
“to the end of WHO AM I,IM SPIDERMAN.then swinging off hanging on to the flagpole.dumb and corny.this isnt macgyver or magnum pi for crying out loud!!!!!!!!!!!”
The original ending called for a huge battle that took place between the twin towers, but, those were no more. The flag was a simple, quick tribute to September 11th. It was only added after the towers fell. And what the hell does “this isnt macgyver or magnum pi for crying out loud!!!!!!!!!!!” mean? “Macgyver or Magnum PI“?
“everybody saw him shoot out his webbing and drag the tray,then ho goes out and does all these spectacular backflips and punches flash thompson sending him flying over 100 feet through the air across the floor which is humanly impossible to do.Lets see,this occurs,then a guy displays the same uncanny abilites comes along a few months later,even a dork like flash thompson would easily put two and two together,geez waht moron came up with that part?
Nobody saw him shoot the web. If you watch the movie, nobody saw the webbing leave his wrist. They might have seen him drag the tray out, but they didn’t see what it was attached to. Also, he hit him like 10 feet, 100 would have definitely alerted people. The beauty of Parker was that he was such a nerd and such a nobody that people never gave him a second thought. They may have seen him punch him and fight all badass, but he was Peter Parker. He was a spaz you just got lucky once so people never thought twice about it.
“It was also stupid how during the ring fight how his spidey sense inexplicably failed to warn him that he was going to get hit with the chair at that time,he should EASLIY have dodged that.Not to mention that the chair should not have even hurt him since he has super strength now.”
In the movie we are never even sure if his spider sense warns him or not. It was the first time he had ever really used his powers and he was unsure of himself. He had just taken probably the biggest hit of his life and was stunned after being hit for the first time. The chair didn’t hurt him. He got hit by the chair and was then smashed into the cage but was right back up and kick “Bonesaw’s” ass (by the way, how can you be pissed about so many small things but let Bonesaw get by?)
“also take inot account,that the promoter later saw peter with his mask off after displaying spider abilities in the ring”
I agree with this, but the wrestling promoter never got his name or any relevant information about him. Also, how many people are in New York? Maybe if he ran into Parker again he might have said something, but he never did.
Finally, you contradict yourself. You say how you loved how they made him so strong, but are pissed at how hard he hit’s Flash. Make up you mind.
Again, I know that you will more than likely dismiss everything I say, but I would appreciate if you would at least read it like I took the time to read yours. [/B][/QUOTE]
Okay,I read what you said like you asked me to ZEPHONIM and heres my response now.Even in the first issue of AMAZING SPIDER-MAN,he was cracking wisecracks while battling the fantastic four so he should have been using constant wisecracks in the movie.
Yeah Kirsten was pretty but she really wasnt hot,the only time she really wowed me was in the rain scene when you got to see hor nipples. 😄
the thing I dont like about the hairy claws is that realistically they would not be able to penetrate through his gloves and boots allowing him to stick to walls.what I always liked about the comic was that he got his sticking powers from the stactic electricity that emits from his body from the raidoactive bite which allows hims to sticl to ALL kinds of surfaces,not just a few like he only would be able to with the hairy claws.
the organics werent neccessary,the mechs could have worked on screen,that was so lazy filmmaking not including the mechs. 😠
why would his webbing dissolve within an hour in the movie like it does in the comics if he now has spiders webbing which doesnt dissolve for weeks at times??? also the webbing would pollute all of new york.too many loopholes with organics.again represent the character the correct way and do him justice,or dont do it at all.
I think the mask from the movie WISHMASTER would have been great for this movie.EXACTLY!!! this movie was also a joke because of the power rangers green goblin costume. 😠 Yeah it would have been nice to see more pumpkin bombs but that was a minor thing for me.
They could have given Betty and Robbie a lot more lines than they did in the movie.I mean they didnt even introduce their characters,how stupid.Perry White and Jimmy Olsen are minor characters yet they had a good amount of screentime in the SUPERMAN movies.Like I said,that was so stupid turning Mjs character into Gwen Stacy,get the character right or dont do it at all!!!!!!!!
I see what your saying about the internal monologue being tough to do,but it could have worked.they could have found a way just as long as they didnt over do it.
Cool to see you had that gripe to about him not shutting up while fighting a villian.
the part about macgyver and magnum PI? I said that because the narration that we saw in the beginning and at the end was more like those tv shows where they are telling a story instead of being like a spidey flick where it would have been nice to hear him thinking to himself.Kinda like what they did with the show THE WONDER YEARS when we got to hear Kevin Arnold think to himself. 🙂
Maybe nobody saw the webbing leave the wrist,but my point was that with THAT many people in a cafeteria,at least a few individuals would be walking by and would have seen that.Plus I think people can distinguish what a rope looks like over webbing.
then theres that fight scene outside the cafeteria.I suggest you watch the film again,because it was at LEAST A 100 feet in the air he went flying.and all those miraculous backflips he did? then just a couple months later a spiderman swings by the same buildings displaying the same powers? even a dork like FLASH THOMPSON could have easily put two and two together.and remember,someone said to him JESUS PARKER YOU REALLY ARE A FREAK.so its not like nobody knows him.
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I just watched that part of the movie again, and I admit I was wrong about how far he flew. It was more like fifteen, twenty feet MAX. They show the perfect perspective when the guy says "Jesus Parker, you really are a freak."
Robbie and Betty might become better characters in later movies. Perry White and Jimmy Olsen had more lines because there were like five Superman movies. Also, they are different types of characters. The Perry White of Spider-Man is JJ, and they had Herry rather than Betty. They only have an hour and thirty minutes to create these characters, and if they try to pack too much in people might lose interest in the more important people. Robbie was never a gigantic part of Peter's life outside the Bugle, and Betty was his short term girlfriend back in the 70's.
With the organics I know no matter what I say you're gonna disagree, but think about this. Peter Parker was supposed to create a totally new technology and substance in his bedroom in Queens? That goes way beyond believable. Comic readers accept it, moviegoers don't. And there are far more movie goers than comic readers. I know it betrayed the character and that they should have done the mechs, but I am just trying to justify to you why they did what they did.
The people in the cafeteria proably didn't look too closely at the web at first, but we aren't really sure what their reaction was to it. We never got a view of it, or people's reactions. And nobody knew Peter, nobody was really close friends with him. I know how unlikely this sounds but, people didn't know if he was a gymnist or anything like that. People didn't know if he could fight or not because they didn't know him. He was a nerd that nobody ever looked at or dealt with.
Originally posted by Zephonim
I just watched that part of the movie again, and I admit I was wrong about how far he flew. It was more like fifteen, twenty feet MAX. They show the perfect perspective when the guy says "Jesus Parker, you really are a freak."
Robbie and Betty might become better characters in later movies. Perry White and Jimmy Olsen had more lines because there were like five Superman movies. Also, they are different types of characters. The Perry White of Spider-Man is JJ, and they had Herry rather than Betty. They only have an hour and thirty minutes to create these characters, and if they try to pack too much in people might lose interest in the more important people. Robbie was never a gigantic part of Peter's life outside the Bugle, and Betty was his short term girlfriend back in the 70's.
With the organics I know no matter what I say you're gonna disagree, but think about this. Peter Parker was supposed to create a totally new technology and substance in his bedroom in Queens? That goes way beyond believable. Comic readers accept it, moviegoers don't. And there are far more movie goers than comic readers. I know it betrayed the character and that they should have done the mechs, but I am just trying to justify to you why they did what they did.
The people in the cafeteria proably didn't look too closely at the web at first, but we aren't really sure what their reaction was to it. We never got a view of it, or people's reactions. And nobody knew Peter, nobody was really close friends with him. I know how unlikely this sounds but, people didn't know if he was a gymnist or anything like that. People didn't know if he could fight or not because they didn't know him. He was a nerd that nobody ever looked at or dealt with.
Well the way Flash went flying across the floor regardless of hos far it was,STILL looked a little bit too weird for a normal man no matter how strong he is to have done that.If you look at the first Superman movie,Perry White and Jimmy Olsen have MUCH more lines than what BETTY AND JJJ did.Like I said,that was stupid to show them and not even introduce them,just stupid.The movie was actually 1 hr 50 min long I believe.I know it was longer than 1hr 30 min.
You got to remember that peter parker is not just your average student,he is at the top of his class and more intelligent than most his peers.a real book worm.The original scirpt called for him to construct the mechs out of metal parts he had lying around the house,that could have worked,it could have been explained as some science project he was working on for his science class.Plus he already goes to college in the movie for a science class with Curt Connors.They could have had him do it all in Curts lab at the college,that would have worked.David Koepp is not a very good screenwriter,he lacks imiagination.Movie goers have accepted things far more bizarre then the mech shooters,it was just lazy filmmaking.
Falsh Thompsona dnothers obviously knew him,and come on,not even the best gymnest could pull off something bizaare like Peter did in that movie,the worst scene in the whole movie.
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
i agree with Zeph about not introducing new characters, and about spidey not becomming the bad ass superhero we all know for a while.In the comics, spiderman was a lot like batman. For the simple fact that spiderman, and peter parker were almost like two diferent people. I thought that was expressed nicely in the movie.They introduced all the main characters of the spidey comics. If they had any more characters ,to much time would have been wasted elaborating on the characters. Remember they only had two hours at the most to work with. This includes introducing a superhero, and a super villian, and a super villans son. What ever time is left goes to the rest of the characters, and action sequences.
At first i was a little upset with the green goblins appearance, but then i appreciated it. I mean he looked like the goblin. What did you want a rubber mask? Instead raimi put a little originality in the story with including the suit, making it apart of a military weapon. this saved the director time on having to explain how osbourne came up with the idea of "the green goblin" I thought the suit gave him a presence as well, You look at him, and you see a man in a steel suit, yeah thats overwheliming, again it adds to the characters presence. Even though i highly doubt the military would ever use a helmet that looks like a goblin This movie for the most part was right out of the pages of the comics, with some artistic freedom, and time restraints mixed in.
I still they we should have seen more wisecracks coming from him while fighting the goblin.
Like I said,there is no reason why they could not have given them a couple more minutes of screen time and at least introduced their characters though as far as batty and Robbie go.Even JJJ should have had more lines.
He looked like a goblin? you got to be joking??? Like Zep said,he looked like a damn power ranger,nothing at all like the goblin.
I had no problem with the suit being all green in the beginning,I just think that after osborn stold the glider and costume for his own use,he should have added the purple clothing.it could have worked.
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
yeah i thought the costume was fine. I diddnt catch that about the mask daywalker . i just assumed. his suit certainly gave the green goblin a presence, and it came off very well as a villian.
The Green Goblin came off laughable as a villian in that power rangers outfit with no mouth movement.
Originally posted by Daywalker
I thought Willem Defoe had a wild enough look to not even need. That tech suit really bugged me.
If only he had had that purple clothing from this photo over the green gostume we saw in the movie and had the yellow eye lenses that were in the movie that I thought was a good touch,that costume would have rocked.darn it did not copy the photo. 😠
Spider-man exists over more than 40 years. That's two generations of readers who each have different ideas about Spider-man and the way he should behave in real life/in film. As a director of a Spider-man movie, you can't satisfy everybody. It is 100 % impossible.
You have almost thousands of Spider-man comics, hundreds of storylines and countless characters in the Spider-man universe. As a director, you can't focus your attention to all these people ! You have to make some choices, and sometimes eliminate stuff. A comic is not a film. The Spider-man movie was mainly made to make money, not to serve the comic-lovers. In order to make money, you have to reach the biggest audience imaginable. You can't do that while focusing on lots of rather unimportant things, like enough screen-time for Betty or Ben Urich or whatever. And the organic webshooters didn't bother me that much. In some ways, it even makes sense (a bit).
I thought the movie was great, because they really were able to show us a Spider-man who was webslinging above New York in a very realistic way while wearing a correct costume. It was acted pretty good, had a good casting and had some great fight scenes. I only regretted the laughable mask of Dafoe.
If you want to see a really, really bad comic adaption, then go see "Daredevil", "The Hulk", "The Punisher" (the old one with Dolph Lundgren), "The extra-ordinary league of gentlemen", any Batman movie, "From Hell" and so on. But Spider-man was certainly okay, he could be much, much worse...
Originally posted by Mr Parker
The Green Goblin came off laughable as a villian in that power rangers outfit with no mouth movement.
Now that I agree with.The Goblin costume was ridiculous.I dont know what they were thinking there.And his dialogue wasnt the best either.
Doc Ock in Spider-man 2 looks like hes shaping up to be a classic.Alfred Molina is a great actor and I've heard some of his lines from the movie and they are awesome.I really believe Sony have learned their lesson after the 1st one.Not that I dont like the 1st one cos I do 😄
I never understood why they cast Willem Dafoe as the Goblin, and then COVER HIS FACE UP?????
I can only imagine how good the Goblin could have been if it were just a rubber mask.
"It's realistic" I hear you cry. Um, sorry, but since when is wearing a perfectly molded helmet in the shape of a Goblin realistic?
Norman has only recently explained the reasons behind his Goblin fascination. He never needed to explain WHY he wore the Goblin costume, he was insane. The Goblin was later revealed to be a childhood fear of Normans. His father used to lock him in a dark room when he was bad, and he had visions and fears of a Goblin coming in the night to eat him. As he became the Goblin he dressed accordingly.
What do you think he had a spare "Goblin shaped flight helmet" lying around? No, he made it. If he made that, then why couldn't he make a proper Goblin costume? There is no difference between the reasons. Dafoe wearing a rubber mask (like in The Mask with Jim Carrey) would have been a better idea.
I was also ticked off with MJ. She was just a nice girl,and I laughed out loud when she fell like 20 feet and managed to grab that cable car.
The organic shooters? I actually liked the idea. I always used to think when I was younger: "Why does Spidey need web-shooters? He was bitten by a Spider after all" - but as I got older it made more and more sense that he "created" web shooters himself. Only Parker knew the formula for the fluid, so he was one of a kind. It also gave much more freedom when it came to characters like Hydro man, and Spidey would mix cement into his web fluid or something to beat him. It would help show off just how much of a genius Parker was, and the only way he could show what his mind was capable of was as Spiderman, because his efforts as Peter Parker were so unrewarding. Web shooters rock.