jackson in trouble again

Originally posted by mistyblue772
And by the way I have a life- I have friends, I go outside I see the sunshine and I watch the news- maybe you should also go and get informed before you post anymore bullshit points!
much appreciated xMistybluex

You have just done the same thing you accused me of mistyblue. You just posted that I condemn you opinions for supporting wacko jacko, but have done the same thing with my opinion of his guilt. And as for my 'bullshit points', who the f*ck are you to say what is bullshit and what isnt??? The guy has been accused of child molestation more than once, and the first time to prove his "innocence", he paid millions of dollars in hush money to the children's families. I don't know about you, but that is shifty and definetly not something an innocent person being accused of a crime would do. So you don't have the f*cking right to tell me that my opinion is bullshit, when you yourself can't even be sure of what goes on behind the scenes.
I also watch the news, and I have been informed that the police obtained a court approved search warrant, which the police can only achieve if they know what they are looking for, and have enough evidence to support it. Although people are greedy, and want a chunk of the change that comes from the whole situation, the court can't order a warrant simply because they are out to get jacko.

Check this http://www.thesmokinggun.com/doc_o_day/doc_o_day.html

Originally posted by alic88
the problem with this case is that when the kid says mj molested him the family went 2 two civil lawyers first. i mean for heavenz sake when u get molested u go straight to the police. they say that the kid didnt wanna tel it earlier, well tell me something, do u think the kid can keep a thing 2 himself for 1 day if someone molested him. the kid would physically change and would b shaking. its just insane. i mean the date in which they say mj molested him was april. i mean WTF? its been seven months. its annoying it really is

That is not necessarily true, sometimes people who were molested repress their thoughts and feelings for their entire life. Mostly out of embarassment, insecurity, and fear that other people will change their feelings about them (family, etc.). If you can remember back a little while, when Father Geoghan (sp?) the Catholic priest was finally sentanced to life in prison on more than 10 counts of child molestation. Full grown, ADULT men, admitted that they were molested by him during their childhood. They had repressed the memories and feelings basically their entire life because of fear. The man who had molested him was a pillar in the community, as well as a 'holy' man of the church. It would be a lot harder to convince parents, as well as everyone else that you were a victim of that man than anyone else, but people still overcome their fear in the name of justice.

Curl up and dye: I have not 'condemned' your opinion. You can believe that mj is guilty if you want and I'm going to choose to believe that he is innocent but I have actually listened to other peoples opinions on why they think that he is guilty, have you listened to any1 else?

I didn't think so!

He has been accused more than once because parents of the children he lets into his home try to get some quick cash out of him because they know he has paid people off in the past.
He is just naive not a child molester!

He paid these people off because he did not want to go to court- there is the chance that he could be proven guilty even when he is innocent and he does not want to run that risk.

Besides what evidence has been found so far? I haven't heard one piece which incriminates him- have you? (if so please share it!)

And besides there is nothing shifty about the 'hush money' that has been paid, if the child was really molested the parents would not have chosen money over justice WOULD THEY?! Unless they were not really molested.

But anyway I'm done trying to convince you- you believe whatever the f*ck you want!

lol ya. they aint gonna change. neither r v. let the court decide. i so believe mj is innocent. the 1993 case is dead and buried nothing that can happen now

Originally posted by mistyblue772
Curl up and dye: I have not 'condemned' your opinion. You can believe that mj is guilty if you want and I'm going to choose to believe that he is innocent but I have actually listened to other peoples opinions on why they think that he is guilty, have you listened to any1 else?

I didn't think so!

Besides what evidence has been found so far? I haven't heard one piece which incriminates him- have you? (if so please share it!)

And besides there is nothing shifty about the 'hush money' that has been paid, if the child was really molested the parents would not have chosen money over justice WOULD THEY?! Unless they were not really molested.

Yes I have listened to other people's opinions. Don't you dare tell me anything otherwise from reading just one or two of my posts. I have already acknowledged the incontestable fact that there is a certain level of greed involved with the people who choose to hang around jacko. There will always be that kind of people when you deal with any celebrity. So I never said that people are not after his money. If you read my entire post, you know, the one you are complaining about, then you would know this already.

What I did say was that the courts are not allowed to issue search warrants based on the fact that they want his money.
You want to know why?? because they would never see a damn dime of it!!! His money, if they received any, would go back into the state, not their paycheck.
Plus, they are not allowed to publicize all the evidence and information that they receive. You want to know why?? Because then it would jeopardize any possible trial. If all the evidence was made public before the trial, if MJ chooses to have one, it would automatically lead to the judge dismissing the case due to mistrial. All crucial evidence is kept secret because if it were released, it violates the constitutional right to a fair trial.

And yes, paying hush money is shifty. Mobsters and politicans all deal with hush money, mostly as a means of political kickbacks and cover ups. If they are caught doing this, then they are arrested.
Do you want to know why?? Because that is what the government calls racketeering conspiracy (U.S. v. Cianci, 2002). There is no way that you can possibly tell me that paying hush money is not shifty. But I guess if the "innocent" Michael Jackson does it, it's good enough for you.

' curl up and dye' can u go one page back and look at steven's post plz

#1. all that smoking gun crap is from back in February..........ofcourse the boys claimed they weren't molested then. This is old news. They were on the MJ documentary with him. They were his buddies. They felt he loved them (as many molestors do to their victims)..........

your smoking gun article refutes what you girls have been saying all along. You girls have been saying that this was all for money......the mother went to two civil lawyers first (I can quote atleast 10 times in this thread that you've said this). The Smoking Gun sight says this is not true. That the mother isn't even the one who brought social services in to investigate......it was a school councilor who suspected the abuse.

I'm sure when the investigation first began......the boys still denied they were molested. They remained truthful to their "friend". I bet it took a little bit for those boys to sit back and think, "wait a minute....what he was doing was wrong. He should not have been doing that to me.....he wouldn't have done that to me if he really loves me like he says he does".........

"He paid these people off because he did not want to go to court- there is the chance that he could be proven guilty even when he is innocent and he does not want to run that risk. "

Oh please...........OJ Simpson killed two people and left everything at the scene of the crime but his Heisman trophy and an autographed football........guess what, he's still a free man. You may see him on the golf course from time to time. Celebreties are different than other people. The investigations are much more thorough because they are closely watched by the public and media. Name one celebrety who has ever been wrongly convicted of a crime. You can't ......because there isn't one. The prosecution has to have a rock solid case to convict a famous person..........and even then sometimes "the glove doesn't fit, so you must acquit". Jackson had nothing to worry about.........except his guilt being proven in a court of law.

"And besides there is nothing shifty about the 'hush money' that has been paid, if the child was really molested the parents would not have chosen money over justice WOULD THEY?! Unless they were not really molested"

You are full of crap. The deed is done.......nothing can take it away now. If Jackson goes to jail.......the family and the boy get nothing for their hardship and suffering. If they take the $20 million dollars they can all live the good life untill they die and they never need worry about their son's education or him wanting for anything. They would view it as the boy getting compensation for the misery Jackson had put him through. Hell, for $20 million I'd let Jackson molest me and my son.

OK I went through all the page's *lol* ;-P
Some people make very good point's especially kiMMii shes straight on point. All I am saying is you have to be open minded enough to look at this at all angles because it is very shallow in its way of being handled. Now may i ask if Jacko is found innocent are you people gona accept this? 😆

lol

'Hell, for $20 million I'd let Jackson molest me and my son.'

You are one sick b*stard, I swear! How can you even say that!
If you really do have children I feel really sorry for them!

'If Jackson goes to jail.......the family and the boy get nothing for their hardship and suffering.'

Yes they do- they get the knowledge that this 'sick pervert' will not be able to violate children like this again! That should be worth more than $20 million dollars to any decent family.

And can you stop comparing Mj to other crazy and sick people!

Michael Jackson is not OJ SImpson!
Michael Jackson is not John Gacy, get it!

Originally posted by Steven
All I am saying is you have to be open minded enough to look at this at all angles because it is very shallow in its way of being handled. Now may i ask if Jacko is found innocent are you people gona accept this? 😆

If jacko is found innocent, then of course I will accept it. I just find the whole situation to be very suspicious. I of course, have my doubts in regards to both sides of the story, because it could very well swing either way. In contradiction to mistyblue's opinion, I am not just blindly posting incorrect information...which you can see from my last post. However, I think that just paying off families is the cowardly way out of any situation, guilty or not, and that jacko could have handled it better, AND saved his reputation by proving his "innocence" in court. I do like some of his music, and he has had an amazing career. It is a waste for him to lose credibility in that type of situation (referring to 1993). If Jackson had just gone to court and proved his "innocence" (if he really was) , then there would be no questioning of his integrity now. Since he chose not to do so, then I can't help but think that his hush money was a means of eradicating his guilt.
If he is found innocent in a court of law, then he is innocent. I would admit I was wrong, because my life doesn't hang in the balance of MJ's case. lol.

well said CURL UP & DYE. michael could have handled the case better but for him the millions were like pocket change. at that time he was 1 of the richest men on earth so i think he didnt know that people were going 2 think of him as guilty if he paid money 2 the child. really rather than going 2 the courts for months, i would have just paid 2 let it stop

Originally posted by alic88
well said CURL UP & DYE. michael could have handled the case better but for him the millions were like pocket change. at that time he was 1 of the richest men on earth so i think he didnt know that people were going 2 think of him as guilty if he paid money 2 the child.

I think thats the problem right there. To him millions of dollars was pocket change. C'mon, any one of us would kill for that kind of money. He always had been rich, even back in the days of the Jackson 5. I know he di

I'm sorry.......if somebody goes public and tells my family, my parents, my friends, and the rest of the world that I have molested little children......I'm not giving them a god damn penny. It doesn't matter how much money I have. I'm going to prove to the world that I didn't......and that the accuser is a liar.

Ofcourse I actually would have been innocent.

take it from the childs perspective also: would u ever take n e money for sum1 who has molested u. i swear i would bring the person down and out if he had molested me dont care if its like my best friend or whatever. so in a way 2 put it in a neutral way we will never know wheather he is innocent or guilty but the fact is that this case is dead and burried. now the 2003 case is absolute rubbish

Originally posted by Curl_Up&Dye
If jacko is found innocent, then of course I will accept it. I just find the whole situation to be very suspicious. I of course, have my doubts in regards to both sides of the story, because it could very well swing either way. In contradiction to mistyblue's opinion, I am not just blindly posting incorrect information...which you can see from my last post. However, I think that just paying off families is the cowardly way out of any situation, guilty or not, and that jacko could have handled it better, AND saved his reputation by proving his "innocence" in court. I do like some of his music, and he has had an amazing career. It is a waste for him to lose credibility in that type of situation (referring to 1993). If Jackson had just gone to court and proved his "innocence" (if he really was) , then there would be no questioning of his integrity now. Since he chose not to do so, then I can't help but think that his hush money was a means of eradicating his guilt.

M.J is innocent the person everyone should be investigating is the mother what mother would leave there son for 2months dying with cancer without one phone call in M.Js care without a letter or something to keep in touch with her son .......someone who is money hungry .M.J is not a child molester but he does have other problems one major problem would be that he is not comfortable in his on skin its obvious thats why he has had so much work done on him and you will never see micheal helping his own race are let alone letting a littel black boy stay the night are even a month at his home there are alot of unfortunate black children out there also who are dying of cancer why does he not try to help them children are children if you have a love for all children you should help them no mater what there race are this is tsomething that i have observed from m.j. and really do not like.

u were right about that mother part. but plz, r u saying that michael jackson doesnt help black children. i swear i have video clips 2 show u that mj also loves black children, he is kissing them on the cheeks.and emanual lewis was also black and he was mj's best friend. i mean c'mon if u want i can show u video clips of mj going 2 hospitals caring for black children.u r not right on that part at all

Sorry to bump, but @BackFire and those that thought that Michael Jackson was guilty:

The pieces don't add up. Michael Jackson loved children as he showed in several of his songs and donated over 100 million dollars to charities dedicated to helping children. Why would somebody that donated that much money to helping children and wrote songs about children be guilty of child molestation? That doesn't make any sense, and quite frankly the charges were ridiculous.

Even more ridiculous is the fact that the child's mother had a long history of lying for money.