Heath Ledger

I was talking about Jack holding the reign as the Joker. And his career wouldn't have faded. He may not have some fans he now has, but it surely wouldn't have faded away. As for his weak filmography, have you been in nearly 20 movies that have made some pretty good money? No? Didn't think so.

Originally posted by Df02
Can an intelligent Heath Ledger fan provide me with a list of films in which they think Heath Ledger produced an above average performance? I'm just curious because I was having a conversation about how people who die young have their careers instantly hyped beyond their talent.

I thought he was good in Candy and his performance as the Joker was very good... but other than that I seriously believe he did nothing of note.

Also, was his performance as The Joker instantly oscar worthy? because I left the cinema thinking "It's good, but it could be topped"... not that it WILL be, but it COULD be. All the talk of him being guaranteed an oscar is kind of disrespectful to any actors who potentially will put in a superior performance this year.

I expect about one serious reply to this post.... and hundreds of 'omg he's da best!!1 how daer you!' ones who completely missed the point.

I'm not a big Heath fan, but I'll respond. You already mentioned his Joker performance, which was nothing short of brilliant. He was also good in Candy, like you said.

Even though I didn't like the movie, he was tremendous in Brokeback Mountain. I think that movie showed the world just how much potential lied in him. He also did a solid job in I'm Not There, although he wasn't the best Bob Dylan impersonator in the movie, and I think he was very underrated in Monster's Ball (another movie I didn't like).

At the time of his death, he certainly wasn't among the best actors in the world, but I think what is sad is that with some of his most recent performances, specifically The Dark Knight and Brokeback Mountain, he was showing the potential to be considered one in the future.

I consider him one of the best, but he certainly had a lot more great movies inside of him.

Originally posted by Da Joker
I consider him one of the best, but he certainly had a lot more great movies inside of him.

Ledger didn't do all that many roles when considering many other actors, he was a young guy afterall and of those, only a handful were very good/great ones. Yet he's "one of the best"? Funny, that.

Be honest, would you have said that before seeing his role in TDK?

Would you say you need to shut up?

Originally posted by Da Joker
Would you say you need to shut up?

The truth hit a nerve I see. Thanks for answering though, it was big of you.

You didn't hit a nerve. I never said he was the best, just one of the best, because he's had some good movies. There are a lot of crap movies & actors out now, and his movies were pretty good. By the way, how many movies have you been in? How many hits have you been in? How often do people talk about you being upcoming & successful? Not at all? I can see why. 😂

Illogical rants are you thing, eh? I never claimed you said he was "the best". Current crap actors have nothing to do with the Ledger being "one of the best", as there many great actors, now and past. My non-actor/non-famous status has nothing to do with Ledger being/not being "one of the best", according to you.

So, which roles of his make him "one of the best"? Try to be honest and not search IMBD for his career list, because I doubt you've seen more than 2-3 of his films.

How would you know anything about what I've seen or haven't seen? That shows your idiocy right there.

I wouldn't for certain, hence I said "doubt", your reading comprehension is rather lacking. Anyhow, going to answer?

Edit: Hahahaaa... Just realized you're that silly 14-15 year old kid that watches a movie and becomes crazy obsessed, it was "The Hulk" before, now TDK.

Do answer though, I am curious which of Ledger's roles qualify him as "one of the best".

Whoever said I was 14-15 year old....and when was I obsessed with the Hulk? 😂 God you're stupid.

Originally posted by Da Joker
Whoever said I was 14-15 year old....and when was I obsessed with the Hulk? 😂 God you're stupid.

At one point you had your age listed, if you're not 14-15 (or younger), then that is sad. When "The Hulk" came out, you were obsessed, you ranted and ranted about it, you changed your name several times to something Hulk themed etc. Now you're on the TDK fix.

So, the question, which of Ledger's roles make him "one of the best" actors? Going to answer or keep dodging?

What? I never listed my age on here. Either you're on crack, stupid, or both. I'm inclined to think the latter. And changing my name means nothing. It's called a net handle, and they're ****ing movies. It's no such thing as a movie fix. If it were, all I'd be talking is TDK or TIH, which I'm not.

😂

Originally posted by Da Joker
What? I never listed my age on here. Either you're on crack, stupid, or both. I'm inclined to think the latter. And changing my name means nothing. It's called a net handle, and they're ****ing movies. It's no such thing as a movie fix. If it were, all I'd be talking is TDK or TIH, which I'm not.

😂

Your constant dodging of the topic is very telling. It's equal parts funny and sad.

So, the question. Which rolls of Ledger's qualify him as one of the best?

Ledger had two excellent roles: Brokeback Mountain and TDK.

I think in time he very likely would have been a great actor, maybe one of the best, but considering that his life was cut short before he was able to hit that mark, we'll never know.

And that's what makes his death all the more tragic. He had tremendous promise, but we'll never see what would have blossumed.

Yes, very true and most likely in regards to being great. BBM was his best performance imo.

But I'm asking the stupid-clown why Ledger is "one of the best".

The thing that's truly impressive is how different both of his best roles were.

In BBM he played a quiet, subtle, brooding character. One whom you could sense pain simmering under the surface, but never really let it out. His trauma and anger was sensed rather than shown.

And in TDK he played the exact opposite, a raving psycho, loud and scary.

His range, in just those two roles, is more than most actors will achieve in their entire life.

Originally posted by Robtard
Ledger didn't do all that many roles when considering many other actors, he was a young guy afterall and of those, only a handful were very good/great ones. Yet he's "one of the best"? Funny, that.

Be honest, would you have said that before seeing his role in TDK?

Rebel Without A Cause, My Own Private Idaho, The Dark Knight

What to the actors who had a main role in those films have in common along with dying prematurely? They were good. They were young, good actors, chicks loved them, and they went out with a bang with very memorable roles. All of that in addition to the fact that they died young is why they're immortalized. If David Spade died in his 20's, I honestly doubt anyone would care.

Yes and no.

Cuba Gooding Jr. received very high praises for his role of a retard in Radio and his role of a loudmouth-jock family man in Jerry McGuire, both very different roles and he even won an Oscar for the latter, yet look what became of his movie career, Norbit, Snowdogs, Daddy Day Camp, Rat Race etc.

Edit: This was in response to BF, but it also fits somewhat above.

Well I think both of Ledger's performances are on a much higher level than his, personally.

Cuba is/was talented, but he just chose shitty roles. As if he just stopped caring.

An actor who can play two completely different characters, and play them both excellently is a rare thing. Cuba going to shit doesn't change that.