Batman Forever and Batman and Robin suck

mook you can tell batman forever was the beginning of the end when they changed the bat suit - a key part of the central character. batman 1+2 look good and are generally good but the plot of 2 goes downhill a bit.
batman forever is rescued by jim carrey+tommy lee jones but it doesnt feel like a batman film.
batman + robin is extremely poor.

"youre not sending me to da cooler!"

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
they both suk
they are like the worst movies ever made

given I was eight seeing Batman Forever, i liked it then......given I was ten seeing Batman & Robin, i liked it......but I definitely changed my opinion in middle school after seeing them again....i think that was the same for anyone who was my age then.....im 17 now

clooney was the worse....batman is suppose to be dark he didnt capture any of that...thr only thing good in that movie was uma thurman

The only saving grace in Batman Forever was Jim Carrey

hahaha...Batman & Robin lines that make you groan: let's hear them!

I got some:

You're not sending me to the cooler.
What killed the dinosaurs? The Ice Aaaaage!
A laundry service that delivers! Wow!
Kill the heroes! Kill them!!

(hahah, note how theyr'e all Schwarzenegger lines for some reason)

I have no problems with Batman Forever but Batman and Robin is crap.

'tonights forecast, a freeeeeeeeeeze is coming '
'I hope Mr Bane can swim'

😘

Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
I have no problems with Batman Forever but Batman and Robin is crap.

'tonights forecast, a freeeeeeeeeeze is coming '
'I hope Mr Bane can swim'

😘

Do you think Jim Carrey would've been a better Joker? Was the Riddler supposed to be that cooky? In the animated series, he's always been ...reserved...and devious, rather than "spank me."

I thought his funny antics could've been better as Joker, rather than Riddler.

Originally posted by SpyCspider
Do you think Jim Carrey would've been a better Joker? Was the Riddler supposed to be that cooky? In the animated series, he's always been ...reserved...and devious, rather than "spank me."

I thought his funny antics could've been better as Joker, rather than Riddler.

I agree. I've never seen the animated series, but certainly the movie Riddler has little in common with the comic-book villian.

Originally posted by SpyCspider
Do you think Jim Carrey would've been a better Joker? Was the Riddler supposed to be that cooky? In the animated series, he's always been ...reserved...and devious, rather than "spank me."

I thought his funny antics could've been better as Joker, rather than Riddler.

Its funny that you mentioned that because I loaned Batman Forever to a friend of mine not too long ago and after he watched it he brought that up also.He agreed with me that Batman Forever was the best one and while talking about it he suggested that they should have turned the roles around and have Carrey play The Joker and Nicholson play the Riddler.Now that I think about it he's right because Carrey behaved the way The Joker bahaves and Nicholson was more suited for the role of The Riddler because he doesnt have the energy it takes to play the joker laughing non stop all the time like he does which is why I have to agree that Carrey would have been more suited for the joker.
Just switch the roles around is what they should have done.

I think personally, that the first Batman movie is the greatest comic book adaptation known to this green Earth. How anyone can think otherwise is beyond me. Batman Returns is even MORE morbid than the first. I actually thought that all casting choices in the first two movies were by far the best casting choices of the lot.
Bruce Wayne/Batman = Michael Keaton. He is by far the best choice for the character. The brooding pseudo-schizophrenic personality toiling inside of him came through thanks to that man. I actually think Val Kilmer LOOKS like a better Bruce, but Keaton is by far the closest thing to Batman.
Jack Nicholson = When I saw this for the first time I was terrified and amazed by this character, I was only 6 or 7 years old. Even now it is a performance of a life-time and Nicholson is the perfect Joker.
Danny DeVito = His performance of The Penguin is fantastic. How can anybody say otherwise?
Michelle Pfeiffer = Pure Catwoman. Forget premadonna Halle Berry. This is the real Catwoman.
By all means these two films are classics and did a heckuva job of making comics being percieved as serious literature/art as they deserve to be.
Batman Forever, is not as good as 1 & 2, but I thoroughly enjoyed it. I could only imagine what film it COULD have been had Burton directed the superb Jim Carrey and Tommy Lee Jones as the villains. Carrey was awesome as The Riddler. Kilmer was a decent Batman but couldn't match the faithfulness of Keatons performance. Robin is annoying though, and is completely useless. Batman could have run circles around the villains if Robin a) could drive a boat properly and b) Killed Two Face when he had the chance instead of being a little wuss baby.
Batman and Robin is a joke. Casting was awful all around, cartoon effects were added in and everything was just one sick joke. Batman died a painful death that day.

Originally posted by Red Superfly
I think personally, that the first Batman movie is the greatest comic book adaptation known to this green Earth. How anyone can think otherwise is beyond me.

Because it was wildy untrue to the source material? The Joker killing Bruce's parents? Batman killing people? Bleh.

Batman Returns was even worse. What the hell sort of drug were the writers using when they wrote Catwoman's origins? And the Penguin acted nothing like he does in the comic.

Originally posted by Red Superfly
Batman could have run circles around the villains if Robin a) could drive a boat properly and b) Killed Two Face when he had the chance instead of being a little wuss baby.

You think Robin should kill people? Robin never kills people in the comic, and you're actully complaining about how the movie is true to that element of his personality.

And yes, I agree that refusing to commit murder makes you a wuss. Wait. No, I don't.

They werent horrible films, they just werent as good as they could have been. Batman should have been much darker but i loved Robin. He was cool as hell in Forever. His attitude of "im being overlooked" got a little annoying in B&R but still I think Odonnell made a good Robin. Schwartzeneggar was just horrible i B&R. Unforgivable....He was horrendous. Uma Thurman made a good Ivy though. Michelle phipher was not a good Selena Kyle. But she was a good Catwoman. Thats a sexy arse outfit...-shiver-

Careys' Riddler was aweome and so was TLJ Two Face. I thin their performances saved BF. I never liked batman returns as a movie though. Batman was simply awesome. Despite its technical shortcomings compared to todays standars it was an awesome film. I loved it. As for inconsistencies with the comic, that happens all the time.

Spidey-Organic webbign
Daredevil-No stick?
Smallville - Perry Lane, a sleezy journalist?
Birds of Prey - Black Canary was so weak.
Hulk - Bruce Banner exprimented on as a child?
Fist of the North Star - ...NO COMMENT.

Movies will always differ form their comic counterparts somehwat because directors dont like to completely copy, thye like to add a bit of their selves and their ideas in their creations..Heh.

Originally posted by Castor
As for inconsistencies with the comic, that happens all the time.

I know, but this one was unusually major. Batman not killing people is a major part of his mythos. It's what made him different from the Azbat.

Originally posted by Gregory
Because it was wildy untrue to the source material? The Joker killing Bruce's parents? Batman killing people? Bleh.

Batman Returns was even worse. What the hell sort of drug were the writers using when they wrote Catwoman's origins? And the Penguin acted nothing like he does in the comic.

Behavior is irrelevent, Actors model a character's personality to match their personal acting style. Also done ALL the time.

You think Robin should kill people? Robin never kills people in the comic, and you're actully complaining about how the movie is true to that element of his personality.

Um, no, that was a mild joke. I was just emphasising how useless Robin was in the context that if Robin wasn't trying to "help", Batman, in that case, wouldn't have had as much trouble. It seems I struck a nerve, sorry. It was just an opinion, you know, those things that humans have?

I don't care if Joker didn't kill Batmans parents in the comics. It's an adaptation. Man, even comics adapt themselves, look at all the different versions of Spidey's origins and what not. As a film, Batman was great. It was so great it won some awards didn't it or am I wrong in assuming this?

Anyway, in terms of tone at least, the first two Batman movies were spot on.

Also, I like the idea that Joker killed Batmans parents, and I honestly DO NOT CARE if it wasn't in the comics. When I go to see a comic-book-movie I do not want what is essentially an acting out of the comic "manuscript". I welcome the adaptation.

Nobody has a go at fanfics for alterring work. That's all these movies are really, just expensive fan fics.

Originally posted by Blind-Enemy
actually both Jim Carey and Tommy Lee Jones overacted in that movie , but we didnt expect less from Carey so i guess it was ok , but Jones... that's the worst adaptation from a fictional character to the screen and you cant have to silly funny characters acting almost similar in a same movie

yeah they did over-act but they are still the best thing in the film and work well as a double act. im not familar with the original (comic) characters so cant comment on that.
i think if BatmanForever had had the gothic look and feel of 1+2 instead of the Neon look it wouldve been a good batman film.

Originally posted by Lord Soth
Who else thinx so? They just got really bad as soon as Michael Keaton and Tim Burton left

Agreed.