I hated Batman Forever and Batman and Robin, they were little kids films, that just ruined the series, the movies weren't dark like the 1st and 2nd, it needs to show gotham like a real $hit hole, a real bad place to live, Micheal will always be the best Batman, George Clooney sucked as Batman, Tim Burton should have done the movies after Batman returns, Bm forever and B and R sucked! I wish I could forget they were ever made.
Originally posted by GregoryWhy do you keep calling him a f**king murderer? If Batman had just let him get away, then there would be no resolution and a paying moviegoer would have been unsatisfied. There always has to be resolution. So, he had to be killed/captured in some way or another, and it was clear to Batman capture was not an option. So there's my full reasoning. And if you don't appreciate the movie just a little more now, then I don't know why I bother explaining everything to you over-fanatic fans.
So they had to make Batman a murderer for it to make sense on the big screen? It wouldn't have made sense if the Joker hadn't killed Batman's parents? I don't buy that. But whatever; obviously, you're entitled to your own opinion on the movie.
Besides, I had more problems with Batman having GUNS on the Batmobile then I did with the "murderer" thing. Batman swore never to shoot a gun. How come you freaks aren't jumping all over that for no viable reason?
BESIDES besides, this thread is about Batman Forever and Batman & Robin, not the first two
Originally posted by Lord Soth
Why do you keep calling him a f**king murderer? If Batman had just let him get away, then there would be no resolution and a paying moviegoer would have been unsatisfied. There always has to be resolution. So, he had to be killed/captured in some way or another, and it was clear to Batman capture was not an option. So there's my full reasoning. And if you don't appreciate the movie just a little more now, then I don't know why I bother explaining everything to you over-fanatic fans.
Because in the movie, he was a murderer. Forget about the Joker for a moment. When he sent the Batmobiel into that warehouse and blew up (that is to say, murdered) numerous small-time thugs, was that also necessary for "closure?"
What Batman would have done is let the Joker go, save himself and Vickie, and then proceed to nail the Joker at some later date. If the movie came to a point where it was necessary either to make Batman be wildly out of character or let the movie run overly long, I can only attribute it to bad directing, and I still would have preferred the second option.
Incidently, remember "Death In the Family"?
"Find his body! Find his body!"
'But they won't.'
'That's the way things always end with the Joker and me.'
'Unresolved.'
There always has to be a resolution, indeed.
Besides, I had more problems with Batman having GUNS on the Batmobile then I did with the "murderer" thing. Batman swore never to shoot a gun. How come you freaks aren't jumping all over that for no viable reason?
"Freaks"? Way to keep this friendly, Lord Soth. As a matter-of-fact, I had a problem with this, too. But it didn't come up durring the course of our conversation.
BESIDES besides, this thread is about Batman Forever and Batman & Robin, not the first two
You, who have participated in this thread as much as I, cannot rebuke me for this.
Originally posted by Freddy_vs_Jason
I hated Batman Forever and Batman and Robin, they were little kids films, that just ruined the series, the movies weren't dark like the 1st and 2nd, it needs to show gotham like a real $hit hole, a real bad place to live, Micheal will always be the best Batman, George Clooney sucked as Batman, Tim Burton should have done the movies after Batman returns, Bm forever and B and R sucked! I wish I could forget they were ever made.
as I said before.Tim Burton should NEVER have been allowed near a batman franchise making the worst casting choice in comicbook history michael keaton for Bruce wayne,what a joke,it was like watching al bundy walking around bruce wayne manor.Thank god Burton did not direct Batman Forever.the only one that was half way decent of the bunch.
Originally posted by GregoryHehe....oops, I forgot about that. My fault, completely my fault
Because in the movie, he was a murderer. Forget about the Joker for a moment. When he sent the Batmobiel into that warehouse and blew up (that is to say, murdered) numerous small-time thugs, was that also necessary for "closure?"
Incidently, remember "Death In the Family"?Actually, I do not remember that. Oddly enough, I've never read a Batman comic in my life. 😆 But I've read almost all of the anthologies and info books as there have been published, so I know as much as much a devout comic fan would 😛"Find his body! Find his body!"
'But they won't.'
'That's the way things always end with the Joker and me.'
'Unresolved.'
There always has to be a resolution, indeed.
"Freaks"? Way to keep this friendly, Lord Soth. As a matter-of-fact, I had a problem with this, too. But it didn't come up durring the course of our conversation.Yeah.....sorry about that. It was about 3 in the moring when I wrote that. Anywho, I consider 'freaks' to be a compliment, usually. I obviously didn't there. Sorry if you were offended (what am I kidding, of course you were). And please, even when having an argument (friendly or not), call me Soth! It's so much more informal that way
You're right again, that didn't come up. My fault again
You, who have participated in this thread as much as I, cannot rebuke me for this.No, I suppose I can't 😛
Originally posted by Mr ParkerAre you basing bad acting upon physical appearance? Oh, Mr. Parker, I am ashamed. Physical appearance is not wah tamkes a character. Actual ACTINg is what makes a character. Michael Keaton may not have looked the part, no. But he had the initial soul of Bruce Wayne down pat. No, Jack Nicholson did not look like the Joker. But the psychotic personality was perfect.
as I said before.Tim Burton should NEVER have been allowed near a batman franchise making the worst casting choice in comicbook history michael keaton for Bruce wayne,what a joke,it was like watching al bundy walking around bruce wayne manor.Thank god Burton did not direct Batman Forever.the only one that was half way decent of the bunch.
Now, lets take a look at the atrocity that was Batman Forever. Gotham was ALL wrong. Gotham is not flashing lights and opulent statues: quite the opposite. The first two had it right. Gotham is dark and forboding; threatening and crime-ridden.
Casting: Jim Carrey, while being the saving grace of the movie, was not correct. The Riddler is not a freakish little dancing game man: he's cold and calculating; a mischevous genius. The movie turned him into a game show host.
Val Kilmer is all wrong as well. He was downright terrible. Sure he may have LOOKED the part (which you apparently take as paramount importance), but he could not play Batman or Bruce Wayne for crap. There was no darkness in his soul, even when he was trying his hardest to *obviously* insert it into his acting. Keaton was effortless in the darkness department.
Originally posted by Mr Parker
as I said before.Tim Burton should NEVER have been allowed near a batman franchise making the worst casting choice in comicbook history michael keaton for Bruce wayne,what a joke,it was like watching al bundy walking around bruce wayne manor.Thank god Burton did not direct Batman Forever.the only one that was half way decent of the bunch.
I'm with Soth on one point: it's the acting, not the appearance of the actors, that matters. For all their flaws, and for all that I don't like the first two movies, the acting in them was superb; it didn't even occur to me that Keaton and Nicholson didn't look their parts until people brought it up in this thread.
It seems especially silly to complain about that when you consider that Batman's appearance has never been constant. The appearance of the animated Batman is different from that of the comic Batman, and how Batman looks in the comics changes every time they get a new artist. So so what if the movie Batman looks a little different from what you're used to? That's par for the franchise.
Ok i kind of liked the first Batman film but i thought it needed more action, but i loved the way in the first movie it showed the physiological side of Batman the way it portrayed his parents death and the way he could not commit to women 😉.
But since then the film have toned down abit and i have to say the last Batman film did not live up to my expectations. I mean i loved the way George Cloony portrayed Bruce Wayne, but i feel the villain let me down i mean we did not see into the sole of the film
Hopefully the next film will be better 🙂 and it will fore full all are expectationsbatmanbatman
Originally posted by Mr ParkerYou're such a cynic, it makes me laugh 😆
Well I got comedy relief from watching the first two films being reminded that i was watching Mr Al Bundy walking around Bruce Wayne manor. 😆 Like I said,thats the kind of casting choice I would expect to see on saturday night live,not for a serious batman movie. 😆