Batman vs Wolverine

about that comment on wolverine being immune to poison....
he was sure susceptible to cyber's hallucinogenic poison. And im one of those "anti-batman" fans, coz i dont pretty much like batman. but i still think batman would win (lame as it sounds).
just one thing that bothers me, if wolvi's skeleton is laced with metal, then that makes him considerably heavy right? but wolverine isn't really much stronger than a peak athlete. So my point is, how can he be able to move fast if he has that much weight to carry around and not have that much strength to move it.

Height:5 ft. 3 in.
Weight: (without adamantium skeleton) 200 lbs., (with adamantium skeleton) 300 lbs. <-----

"Wolverine is a mutant with a number of enhancements to his physiology. Wolverine possesses heightened senses, making him capable of seeing things at a maximum distance greater than that of a normal human. His hearing is enhanced in a similar manner, and he is able to recognize people and objects by scent, even if that person or object is hidden. Logan can use these enhanced senses to track anyone, with an impressive degree of success."

Says NOTHING about enhanced quickness, and no profile has EVER said anything about enhanced quickness - yet you have some fanboys who CLAIM that "Wolverine is fast enough to dodge bullets."

Horseshit. Individual writer interpretation. If he was so quick he would not get his clock cleaned by the variety of foes that beat his ass.

nobody here has ever trained with weighted clothing?? try wearing a lead-lined shirt or pants for a month(or both). at first it will be very heavy, but your body becomes stronger and adjusts. the human body adapts. after a certain amount of time, you are moving at the same speeds you were before you had the weighted clothing. take off the weighted clothing and wooo! what a rush. though it doesnt last forever, your body adjusts again and becomes weaker after a signifigant period of time without the extra weight. anyway, my point is that Logan has had that extra weight for quite a long time, and most likely his body has adjusted. that doesnt mean im saying that he can dodge bullets.

i actually don´t know if you´r theory is correct, it depends on the weight, i will check this out, but i doubt things to be that easy.

i've tried training in weighted clothing, but weighted clothing is only applied to a certain area of your body. plus i never heard of weighted clothing that adds 100 lbs to your weight. then again, im not wolverine. 🙂

Well, Never, that’s the difference between you and me : if somebody doesn’t agree with you, he must be anti-this or anti-that. Or just a total ignoramus. Nice try, but no. Come off your high throne made of comics and admit some of your idols can loose.

But since it’s obviously impossible to have a polite and civilized discussion with you (you insult way too quick) I’ll just sum up the facts. Feel freely to react.

1. Wolverine is stronger : not much, just barely. But he’s stronger, he can lift heavy stuff without having to worry if his back will break (adamantium skeleton). He can also deal out heavy punches, again thanks to his skeleton (no worries about breaking his hand).

2. Wolverine is at least as fast as Batman. And even if he isn’t, it would be too small a difference to actually play an important role.

3. Batman can NOT seriously hurt Wolverine, not without prep-time. Anything Batman will do to Wolverine, will heal very fast. And we’re talking about an opponent who can take punches from the Hulk and Spider-Man. Spider-Man gave his best shots, lots of them (he can punch through a concrete wall) and Wolverine just laughed. Are you really, really comparing the strength of Spider-Man and Batman ? What will happen if Batman hits Wolverine a few times, with his best shots, no matter what martial style he uses. Wolverine will just laugh his ass off. Remember he can take punches from the Hulk (though in a fight, he would definitely loose and get knocked down). But he CAN take them without getting killed. So Batmans best shots won’t do much damage to Wolverine.

4. Stop bringing up the Elektra-fight. It seems it’s a big deal for you, but not for me. It’s just one of the fights Wolverine lost. I’ll give you four excellent reasons why you have to stop mentioning it :

a. I couldn’t care less if Elektra beat Wolverine. Never said he was invincible, on the contrary.
b. Newsflash: Elektra is not Batman, Batman does NOT have pointy weapons in his utility belt which he can use to fatally wound Wolverine.
c. Let’s just for arguments sake suppose Batman possesses some pointy weapons : what on earth makes you think (besides being biased) that Batman could do the same as Elektra did ? Nothing, absolutely nothing. Each fight is different, my not so objective friend.
d. Each time you come up with this same old fight, I’ll mention the Reaper, you know him : an old man with a leather armour, who hadn’t had a decent fight in years, managed to almost kill Batman ! Thank God for sewers to hide in ! I guess his famous detective skills and his more than 100 martial arts skills were on a holiday that day …

5. Pressure points : I don’t remember this who mentioned it, but I like the idea that Batman can actually beat Wolverine thanks to pressure points. I could work, but again, the same old story : no guarantees. And another problem with those pressure points is that Batman will have to be CLOSE to Wolverine – the biggest mistake he could make. Do YOU want to be close to Wolverine while fighting him. I don’t.

6. It will take lots and lots of punches and kicks of Batman before Wolverine will go down. Wolverine only needs 1 (one) punch with his claws.

Wolverine wins.

Originally posted by who?-kid
Well, Never, that’s the difference between you and me : if somebody doesn’t agree with you, he must be anti-this or anti-that.

Dude he meant that I was an anti-Batman person because I hate Batman, not because I disagree with him. I didn't actually say who I thought would win. But I guess I am an anti-Batman person. As far as enhanced speed, I think that Wolverine's fast, nothing superhuman, just pretty fast. I haven't seen him dodge bullets, at least not that I recall. He might've in the past, but I think it's up to the writer.

Ah whatever.

Originally posted by Irish Wolverine
Dude he meant that I was an anti-Batman person because I hate Batman, not because I disagree with him. I didn't actually say who I thought would win. But I guess I am an anti-Batman person. As far as enhanced speed, I think that Wolverine's fast, nothing superhuman, just pretty fast. I haven't seen him dodge bullets, at least not that I recall. He might've in the past, but I think it's up to the writer.

Ah whatever.

Lol, you're right : whatever 🙂. Who cares who'll win ?

Apparently you and Never haha

Originally posted by Irish Wolverine
Apparently you and Never haha

Hahaha 🙂. Well, to be very honest, I don't care that much who wins, because I know who SHOULD win => Wolverine. All the rest is irrelevant.

Speaking of Never : it can be fun to give him a hard time once in a while(although he would never, never admit it).

Originally posted by Irish Wolverine
Dude he meant that I was an anti-Batman person because I hate Batman, not because I disagree with him. I didn't actually say who I thought would win. But I guess I am an anti-Batman person. As far as enhanced speed, I think that Wolverine's fast, nothing superhuman, just pretty fast. I haven't seen him dodge bullets, at least not that I recall. He might've in the past, but I think it's up to the writer.

Ah whatever.

HELLO? I am glad SOMEONE understood what I meant when I said "anti-Batman." Reading is SO fundamental.

Originally posted by who?-kid
Well, Never, that’s the difference between you and me : if somebody doesn’t agree with you, he must be anti-this or anti-that. Or just a total ignoramus. Nice try, but no. Come off your high throne made of comics and admit some of your idols can loose.

So odd Kid - clearly you missed my response posts ago wherein I said "my point is that Batman CAN win, not that he WILL win?" Someone - ANYONE - post where I said "Wolverine canNOT defeat Batman."

But since it’s obviously impossible to have a polite and civilized discussion with you (you insult way too quick) I’ll just sum up the facts. Feel freely to react.

I fire back, I never fire first. Simple.

1. Wolverine is stronger : not much, just barely. But he’s stronger, he can lift heavy stuff without having to worry if his back will break (adamantium skeleton). He can also deal out heavy punches, again thanks to his skeleton (no worries about breaking his hand).

Disagree period. Please feel free to cite the issue wherein his strength sufficiently augmented his punches. He lifts at MOST ~800lbs. The record for the bench press is somewhere in that area. Moreover, breaking one's back is the only possible result of lifting something heavy? Ever heard of a pulled/strained muscle?

2. Wolverine is at least as fast as Batman. And even if he isn’t, it would be too small a difference to actually play an important role.

Prove it. Prove it. Show me a battle, issue, quote in a profile, anything wherein Wolverine is CONSISTENTLY quick. I point you to Secret Wars #3 where Spiderman bounced around him such that even Nightcrawler was amazed. The Weapon X program NEVER augmented his agility/quickness, so...prove it?

3. Batman can NOT seriously hurt Wolverine, not without prep-time. Anything Batman will do to Wolverine, will heal very fast. And we’re talking about an opponent who can take punches from the Hulk and Spider-Man. Spider-Man gave his best shots, lots of them (he can punch through a concrete wall) and Wolverine just laughed.

Wrong wrong WRONG! Shall I run down a list of beings with average human strength that have clocked Wolverine? "Anything Batman will do Wolverine will heal quickly from?" Poison? Sonics? Cannot "heal" from a nerve strike - it makes your leg go NUMB. No damage is done, nothing to heal from. Your Spiderman reference is inaccurate considering in ANOTHER battle Spiderman simply knocked him out with *one* punch. One.

4. Stop bringing up the Elektra-fight. It seems it’s a big deal for you, but not for me. It’s just one of the fights Wolverine lost. I’ll give you four excellent reasons why you have to stop mentioning it.

I reference the Elektra fight because you CLAIM Batman cannot harm Wolverine. Here is someone SMALLER and WEAKER who damn near KILLED Wolverine regardless of his so-called edges in physiology and skeletal strength. No Batman does not carry "pointy things" - well, ACTUALLY he DOES although they are not SAIS, and those "pointy things" are not the ONLY way Batman could be victorious.

My Elektra reference is QUITE relevant. It totally voids Wolverine's supposed advantages.

5. Pressure points : I don’t remember this who mentioned it, but I like the idea that Batman can actually beat Wolverine thanks to pressure points. I could work, but again, the same old story : no guarantees.

HeLLOOOOOOOO, MY ENTIRE POINT HAS BEEN THAT BATMAN ******CAN******* DEFEAT WOLVERINE. That being said, in reference to the pressure points, there is no guarantee that it would NOT work; moreover, as regards to the in close battle, he has to HIT Batman. He could not HIT Elektra. AGAIN, go take a LONG look at the Captain America/Batman "battle" in JLA vs. Avengers. Batman countered EVERYTHING that Captain America threw his way, and vice versa. Batman CAN do the same thing to Wolverine. ELEKTRA did it. Archangel did it. MANY have done it. Batman CAN do it.

6. It will take lots and lots of punches and kicks of Batman before Wolverine will go down. Wolverine only needs 1 (one) punch with his claws.

Took Elektra one. Spiderman one. Marrow one. She pushed one of her bones through is WINDPIPE. Apparently you think he is immune to punches/pain because of his skeleton? You are WRONG. His skeleton is UNBREAKABLE. Wolverine can suffer concussions, contusions, bruises, EVERYTHING. He has stated MANY times he feels EVERY punch. Read New X-Men issue in which Wolverine and Cyclops are flying to Genosha in the helicopter and he takes all of that lead. The shit HURTS. He has to PAUSE. When Hulk thunderclapped him he STOPPED and said...well, "ouch." Heh. The ONLY time he simply walks through punches is in berserker mode. When Silver Samurai battled him he HURT. When Archangel did the same in the Cameron Hodge issue he battled him to a STALEMATE.

You are incorrect yet again.

...AND, regarding that comment about Batman's analytical ability NOT aiding him in battles:

"Morrison, once at the helm of JLA (the late-nineties version), saw more to the character than the interconnected mass of trite cliches, and may have looked to the most impressive moments of the character's past for inspiration. Either through derivation or parallel thinking, Morrison, like Frank Miller before him, >>>>>assumed that Batman's strength lay in his ability to out-think, out-plan, and out-scheme any enemy he might confront.<<<<<<"

Nice arrows.

Martial arts?

"Batman's abilities include a super-high degree of training in all forms of martial arts."

Notice it says ALL. That is because Lady Shiva taught him and she knows and has mastered EVERY form of martial arts. Wolverine is not even close.

Utility belt?

"In addition, his considerable fortune provides him with the resources to develop gadgets and weaponry for use in his war on crime. His utility belt allows him to carry these specialized tools on his person at all times."

And I **think** Batman can lift upwards of 1,000 lbs, but I will never say he **can** until I know for certain.

the Spiderman/Wolverine referances should end. If they "battle" were Wolverine luaghed at Spiderman's punchs was the same battle were Spiderman stated Wolverine was the fastest person he has ever fought then its a dead give away the writer knew nothing of Spiderman.

Spidey fought Speed Demon and maybe Quicksilver((not sure about the exact timeline on him)) even before he met Wolverine.

Originally posted by FrothByte
i remember one issue where daredevil karate chopped wolverine in the throat. that stopped wolvi dead cold. im assuming that batman would use the same tactics, hit wolvi in pressure points. pressure points are found in areas where there is no bone structure to protect it. one fact im wondering about is, although wolvi's bones can't get broken or fractured, can he suffer from dislocation? take note that dislocation applies to joints, it doesn't mean that the bone is broken. when you dislocate your shoulder that doesn't mean that you broke it. so what if batman used some jujitsu on wolverine and dislocated his joints.

just wanted to reinstate a point. still, no guarantees.

Originally posted by VENOMfan
the Spiderman/Wolverine referances should end. If they "battle" were Wolverine luaghed at Spiderman's punchs was the same battle were Spiderman stated Wolverine was the fastest person he has ever fought then its a dead give away the writer knew nothing of Spiderman.

True. It wasn't the best story ever. Theoretically Logan isn't able to even touch Spider-Man.

Some things written by Never, and some replies by Who?-kid.

"And I **think** Batman can lift upwards of 1,000 lbs, but I will never say he **can** until I know for certain."

- Well, you may **think** that. But you know, if he can do that, his back WILL break. Not Wolverines. Therefore, Wolverine is (just a bit) stronger.

"Batman's abilities include a super-high degree of training in all forms of martial arts."

- For once, you're right. But I never said Wolverine was a better fighter, because Batman IS the better fighter. But that's not enough when fighting Wolverine. Batman still can NOT hurt Wolverine, or at least hurt him enough to call himself the winner. He has NO pointy or sharp weapons like a sword with him. He only can cause him some pain, and can confuse him. Nothing more.

"In addition, his considerable fortune provides him with the resources to develop gadgets and weaponry for use in his war on crime. His utility belt allows him to carry these specialized tools on his person at all times."

- Does his utility belt has also some effective weapons against Wolverine ? Please answer my question.

"Disagree period. Please feel free to cite the issue wherein his strength sufficiently augmented his punches. He lifts at MOST ~800lbs."

- Jesus, aren't you ashamed ? Do you really need all the time a comic to back something up ? Don't you have a mind of your own ? "Please feel free to cite..." LMAO. YOU search it (it's all you do, apparently). Some things are logical, you know.

I wouldn't have an idea if that actually has been written somewhere. But, and this is not far fetched, if the skeleton of YOUR hand was enhanced with unbreakable adamantium, and if you have a healing factor that (almost) immediately cures little wounds you would get by using your fists, and if you can stand lots of pain (Wolverine can), you can deal out more damage. This is no rocket science.

"Apparently you think he is immune to punches/pain because of his skeleton? You are WRONG. His skeleton is UNBREAKABLE. Wolverine can suffer concussions, contusions, bruises, EVERYTHING. He has stated MANY times he feels EVERY punch."

- This is too stupid to dignify with an answer, but since I'm in a good mood : you have to READ more closely, my friend. I never, never said anything about Wolverine being immune for pain. On the contrary, read my Wolverine versus Spider-Man messages (all very good written and fun to read for the whole family 🙂 ). So quote me please where I think Wolverine is immune to punches/pain.

I DID say that most punches/kicks of Batman won't hurt Wolverine that much, that's true. I still stand by that.

"Prove it. Prove it. Show me a battle, issue, quote in a profile, anything wherein Wolverine is CONSISTENTLY quick. I point you to Secret Wars #3 where Spiderman bounced around him such that even Nightcrawler was amazed. The Weapon X program NEVER augmented his agility/quickness, so...prove it?"

- First of all, because his agility hasn't been improved, he can't be faster than Batman ? Second, YOU prove it that Batman is faster. In previous messages, I asked you lots and lots and lots of times of proofs why Batman could defeat Wolverine, and you gave me squat. Nothing. Nada. Only old battles which I don't care for. And now, all of a sudden, I have to prove something ? Nice try.

Why do you always think that Wolverine is a sitting duck ? Oh wait, let me guess, the Elektra fight. Now young man, don't forget another fight : the Reaper. Do you really think Wolverine would have a problem with this guy ? I really hope you don't, because otherwise, you're making an ass of yourself.

I hate it to bring up an old battle where Batman got his ass kicked so much it was painful to watch (Reaper : just an old guy with a cool mask), but since you ALWAYS (every single time) refer to the Elektra fight, it's no more than fair that I bring up another fight. Just to show that Batmans fighting skills are not always what they seem to be. And no, I'm not dissing Bats. I know what he can do.

"...AND, regarding that comment about Batman's analytical ability NOT aiding him in battles: (and so on)"

Bullshit and horseshit at the same time ! Throw Batman and Wolverine in a cage and see what happens. Even Batman needs a few seconds/minutes to work something out. I do NOT say that Wolverine will win all the time, that I don't believe. But he will win most of the time.

"I reference the Elektra fight because you CLAIM Batman cannot harm Wolverine."

- Liar. Again (this is getting predictable), I never said this. I said Batman can't truly hurt Wolverine, not enough to make Batman the winner. If he can, please share your wisdom with me and explain me how. And don't give me that "Are his eyes invulnerable ?" "His throat" and so on. I know all that, but it's easier to write something (Attack his eyes ! His knees ! No, his stomach ! His ears !! No wait, just hit him in the groin !) than actually DO it.

Easier said than done.

In regards to Wolverine's strength, I think that someone in another thread mentioned that he threw the Hulk once, so if that's true then that would make him stronger than the average person. I remember he threw Colossus one time, I think it was in the issue where he lost his powers and was killed. He went to this afterlife-type thing where he fought a group of his dead enemies, and Colossus showed up to help. They did a reverse fastball special, and Wolverine threw Colossus at them. So that shows that he's stronger than the average person.

I don't have the issue with me, it's at home. So if you want me to cite it, I'll be able to in a week.

well this sounds like writers taking liberties. Wolverine is in the 800lb class strength. unless there is a issue in continuity where his pyshical strength is increased then its debateable. but I stand by its no more than 900lb. it cant be becuase ive never seen Wolverine classed at 1 ton strength.

Originally posted by who?-kid
Well, you may **think** that. But you know, if he can do that, his back WILL break. Not Wolverines. Therefore, Wolverine is (just a bit) stronger.

Wrong. When discussing strength levels they always reference the **bench press**. His back will not break. What kind of logic is that anyway? Because Wolverine's back will not break he is stronger? Spiderman's back is not unbreakable - using that very same logic I am to assume Wolverine is "stronger?"

For once, you're right. But I never said Wolverine was a better fighter, because Batman IS the better fighter. But that's not enough when fighting Wolverine.

LoL, more often than not - actually WAY more often - participants on this messageboard take my word for it as I have ALWAYS backed up my statements with proof/sufficient evidence...unlike yourself. Prove Batman cannot hurt Wolverine considering Wolverine has been poisoned, gassed, knocked out, karate chopped, et cetera - ALL of which Batman is capable of doing. One does not have to possess world class strength to knock Wolverine out which I have consistently pointed out - something you have yet to address.

Does his utility belt has also some effective weapons against Wolverine ? Please answer my question.

Did you miss where I stated that he can be poisoned (and you claimed that he is immune), citing specific comic books/instances? **thinks back to where it was said that I was "right for once" and decides not to go there** That is one one ONE example.

Jesus, aren't you ashamed ? Do you really need all the time a comic to back something up ? Don't you have a mind of your own ? "Please feel free to cite..." LMAO. YOU search it (it's all you do, apparently). Some things are logical, you know.

Thought not. When discussing boxers - well hell, do they NOT cite boxing MATCHES? So, prithee, tell me what is ILLOGICAL about asking you to SHOW me an instance that supports your posits? LoL, are we all to take your word for it when you've NEVER posted one shred of evidence?

LoL @ "some things are logical" when discussing an imaginary character with a healing factor, enhanced senses, and a skeleton augmented with an imaginary metal. The irony!

I wouldn't have an idea if that actually has been written somewhere. But, and this is not far fetched, if the skeleton of YOUR hand was enhanced with unbreakable adamantium, and if you have a healing factor that (almost) immediately cures little wounds you would get by using your fists, and if you can stand lots of pain (Wolverine can), you can deal out more damage. This is no rocket science.

Have to consistently HIT someone to deal out damage. Uh oh...there goes that name again...Elektra?

This is too stupid to dignify with an answer, but since I'm in a good mood : you have to READ more closely, my friend. I never, never said anything about Wolverine being immune for pain. On the contrary, read my Wolverine versus Spider-Man messages (all very good written and fun to read for the whole family 🙂 ). So quote me please where I think Wolverine is immune to punches/pain.

Actually I can point out the myriad instances wherein your grammar is poor, your sentence structure is less than sound, and you chop logic like a sophomore - or, in other words, it is "too stupid" for me to take seriously. Never said that you SAID Wolverine was "immune to pain," I was pointing out how irrelevant your statement was. No problem for me to drop bread crumbs for those with substandard IQ's - just ask.

I DID say that most punches/kicks of Batman won't hurt Wolverine that much, that's true. I still stand by that.

And Frothbyte DID point out that Daredevil karate chopped Wolverine in the throat and stopped him cold. Feel free to continue standing on that faulty platform - we're ALL laughing at you.

First of all, because his agility hasn't been improved, he can't be faster than Batman ? Second, YOU prove it that Batman is faster. In previous messages, I asked you lots and lots and lots of times of proofs why Batman could defeat Wolverine, and you gave me squat. Nothing. Nada. Only old battles which I don't care for. And now, all of a sudden, I have to prove something ? Nice try.

Show me ONE three hundred pound less than agile human being that will outmaneuver a SKILLED - sorry, ELITE martial artist. Is HULK HOGAN more agile than BRUCE LEE? You have never proved SHIT which is why I challenged you to a debate in which I said I would sautée your ass.

Why do you always think that Wolverine is a sitting duck ? Oh wait, let me guess, the Elektra fight. Now young man, don't forget another fight : the Reaper. Do you really think Wolverine would have a problem with this guy ? I really hope you don't, because otherwise, you're making an ass of yourself.

If my constantly shooting holes in your sandlot attempts at logic is making an ass of myself I will continue to. LoL @ your citing ONE example after I gave you what, EIGHT fights in which Wolverine was ALWAYS touched up?

Bullshit and horseshit at the same time ! Throw Batman and Wolverine in a cage and see what happens. Even Batman needs a few seconds/minutes to work something out. I do NOT say that Wolverine will win all the time, that I don't believe. But he will win most of the time.

Throw Batman and Captain America in a battle and watch what happens. Captain America did not TOUCH Batman and he is 5 TIMES the combatant that Wolverine is. Your point, if you can fish it out of all of that lukewarm beagle shit you just posted?

Liar. Again (this is getting predictable), I never said this. I said Batman can't truly hurt Wolverine, not enough to make Batman the winner.

LoL dumbass, would you like your own words?

"I DID say that most punches/kicks of Batman won't hurt Wolverine that much, that's true. I still stand by that."

Someone PLEASE tell me the difference between "you said Batman cannot HARM Wolverine" and "Batman won't hurt Wolverine that much?" Anyone? Bueller? BUELLER? Stand by the mirror and gaze intently - if an ass looks in do you REALLY expect an angel to look back out? You cling like a newborn on a titty to that faulty logic that Batman has no sais (and Elektra did) THEREFORE Batman CANNOT do to Wolverine what Elektra did in spite of the fact that Batman has FAR MORE at his disposal than Elektra does.

You're a joke, and a bad one. Notice nobody else here is agreeing with you save the ANTI-BATMAN FANS? Have wasted enough keystrokes on you, gimp - will not waste anymore.

Wolverine threw Hulk, big damn deal. Grey Hulk weighs 700 lbs; green, 1,020lbs. He did NOT press Hulk, and even I can toss a 1000lb human being over my shoulder if I can press 800lbs. Wolverine canNOT lift much more than Batman if he can at ALL.