I must be stupid or some thing but isent captain america only a 2 in strength and he is 800lb. oh and isent spiderman who is a a level 4 strenth 11 tons. wolverine a 3 do the math he ahs to be much greater then captain in strength also if u ever play the new role playing game they explan the level and a enchance human is 2 ton to 5 tons. any ways venom u say captain a 800lb guy right then wolverine who a whole level higher is the same in strength how does that make sense.
Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
Wolverine's clawed punch can land anywhere. including batman's throat, which would put him down. for good. the potential outcome of the match can literally go either way. i think i need a combat simulator...
Point being Wolverine consistently struggles against superior combatants. As I have pointed out before, he did not TOUCH Elektra - actually he did, but she LET him slash her thigh to lure him in when she punched two holes through his chest.
For comparative purposes:
Wolverine cannot even beat SABRETOOTH. They stalemate most of the time. Sabretooth HAS beaten Wolverine. It HAS been said that Sabretooth is BIGGER, STRONGER, and FASTER.
Daredevil, for example, beat the SHIT out of Sabretooth. Daredevil #228 was it? With Sabretooth on the cover. Part of the Mutant Massacre crossover. The ONLY reason Sabretooth got a few slashes in is because Daredevil was initially trying to protect some innocent bystanders. After the area cleared, Sabretooth did not land ANOTHER punch. Daredevil beat his ass until he ran and jumped into the sewers.
Daredevil will best Batman in hand 2 hand combat and with no weapons. With weapons, it is generally accepted that Batman defeats Daredevil.
Daredevil would beat the shit out of Wolverine, claws or otherwise. He is THAT GOOD. He defeated Iron Fist who is considered to be one of the VERY BEST martial artists in the entire Marvel Universe, along with Shang Chi. He was trained by Stick, THE BEST martial artist/mystic in the Marvel Universe. He is below Elektra, and not by much. Elektra was, of course, trained by Stick, Stone, Star, and Shaft. Logical, considering he is above Batman, and Batman is below both Daredevil AND Elektra.
Wolverine could not touch Captain America WITHOUT his claws and WITHOUT Cap's shield. WITH his shield? LoL, forget about it. Cap stomps Wolverine.
"Captain America is one of the finest human combatants Earth has ever known."
Captain America and Batman are considered to be EQUALS. Cap lifts ~1,000 lbs. Batman, if I am not mistaken, lifts the same.
Wolverine is below EVERYONE in this list. Figure the rest out for yourselves.
Wolverine lifts ~800lbs, period. End of that story.
Batman is one of my favorite heros ever, i have been an avid reader since 9., even i know that Wolverine would slay Batman. Wolverine has inhanced senses, he is more agile than batman, he has a healing factor, his adamantium skeleton makes him superior in strength, His experience witth the baddest of bad ass villians and his claws give him an overwheliming advantage that i cant see batman over comming. Batman would eventually have to go close quarters with Wolverine, and when he does the last thing batman hears would be snikkkt.
even if batman could find a way to gain a vantage over wolverine with his superior intelligence,Wolverines beserker barrage spells certain doom for the dark knight
Originally posted by Black Spiderman
wolverine would win cause all batman has is his little toolbelt hes one of the biggest wanna be super heroes
All Batman has is his little toolbelt?
One of biggest wannabe superheroes?
Your statements are so idiotic that I don't even bother to answer.
You obviously don't know anything about Batman.
wolverine is a mo fo', he is the gangster of all superheros, and as a matter of fact, he will beat batman out of ten say 7 times. batman may win by luck and luck only.
and by the way, captain America can only lift 800lbs, the same level as wolverine, batman is just an intelligent expert-trained fighter in a sophisticated suit, if he is just an ordinary guy with no super powers or enhanced strength, how the hell can he lift 1000lbs? batman's strength is more like deardevil, batman might show some of his impressive skills, but you guys have forggoten that all it takes is once, just once, all wolverine needs is one strike form his adamantium claws, then, you will know he is the beat there is at what he does, wolverine is even more skilled than batman and captain america, he is a master in all and every forms of matial arts, while batman and cap are masters in several forms of martila arts, more of wolverine's match is deathstroke. now thats a mo***** fu****
Originally posted by Never
You stated that Wolverine is dirtier than Batman in "many ways" - and you did not list one...?An example of Batman fighting dirty? Read the "Prometheus Unbound" story arc wherein Batman uploaded the genetic profile of Professor Stephen Hawking after Prometheus accidentally left his helmet behind? Difference between "sneaky" and "dirty." Batman is definitely dirty.
"Potentially faster." Sabretooth is faster than Wolverine. Elektra is faster than Wolverine. Daredevil is faster than Wolverine. Do recall Wolverine is lugging around an additional 100 lbs (adamantium exoskeleton) while Batman is just about the epitome of human excellence as regards to physical condition. "Faster?" No way - neither his speed nor his reflexes were not augmented as a result of his Weapon X enhancements.
Detective skills? Sure, he can track anyone damn near anwhere, but is this is but one aspect of detective work. So can Batman, albeit a tad slower. I should have clarified by saying that Batman's analytical skills are far superior (and this comes into play while doing detective work). Do you wish to challenge that? I can cite several instances from the latest JLA run that would support my position.
Operate the same kinds of vehicles? Egad, your moniker IS Batman - no way can Wolvie operate the same technology that Batman can. Batman is a tinkerer - he is also a genius. Do you think that Wolverine could, for example, design the Batmobile? Not on your life.
"Knowledge of computers." Again, Batman's proficiency with ALL manner of technology far exceeds Wolvie's. You might want to call Tony Starks.
Batman is a better martial artist (who has beaten Batman in martial arts? I think Lady Shiva, who is like a 10 on a 1-10 scale) also. Wolverine, again, falls under Gamora, Daredevil, Bullseye, and Elektra. Here is a quick scale for you; am interested in what knowledge you possess of the martial arts abilities of various comic book characters (this is on a 1-10 scale and is accurate, trust me):
Daredevil: 8.5
Elektra: 9.25
Bullseye: 9.5
Stick: 10
Stone: 9.5
Iron Fist: 9
Batman: 8
Karate Kid: 15
Shang Chi: 10
Batgirl: 9.95Now where on this scale do you think Wolverine falls...?
My position? Batman is a far superior battlefield tactician, analyst, detective, inventor, businessman, thinker, and I am in the process of providing evidence that he is a superior fighter.
I await your response.
Bat fanboys here don't understand something.
NO BELT.NO PREPTIME.
Just the Danger Room or training room or how it's called in the JLA Tower, without the training devices actived.Just Wolverine VS Batman, face to face.Prep time doesn't exisist here.
You think that after being stabbed two times in the chest and in a leg Batman wouldn't ask mercy?Ok he wouldn't but he'll die anyway.
I'm sick of the Batman can, Batman is and blablabla.
Wolverine physically outclasses him thanks to heal factor and battle experience.Strenght nearly equal, yes but unbreakable bones and claws are in Logan's body.
Originally posted by K3VIL
Wolverine has beaten Gamora when she was one of the soldiers of the Goddess, the female side of Adam Warlock.When Wolvie gets beaten by DD it's just crap writing.I don't like him too much, but remember who are you talking of
Which one is crap writing? DD beating Wolverine, or Wolverine beating Gamora?
You can't know. 😖hifty:
But yeah, Wolverine would win without belt and preptime. 😉
wolverine would still win regardless of batman's gadgets and belt.
and by the way, wolverine is a better and more experienced fighter, he is a old mo fo, he has lived over 150years, learned everything he could know about fighting, he is way more or a little bit more skilled than captain america and batman, c'mon, you are talking of a thug that kills 20-30 ninjas with swords, spikes etc on a regular basis.