Did what though?
That's what gets me. "He did it". Did what?
Some kid conveniently remembered that Jackson had molested him. It's not something that slips your mind. The whole case is BS and I hope he gets off.
People shouldn't judge before the judge, because labels like "paedophile" can't be removed. Wrong or not.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriOh well, it's not like I'm trying to get him locked up or anything, but I still think he molested the kid. Me judging him before the judge isn't hurting him in anyway seeing that I have no effect on whether he's found guilty or innocent.
Did what though?That's what gets me. "He did it". Did what?
Some kid conveniently remembered that Jackson had molested him. It's not something that slips your mind. The whole case is BS and I hope he gets off.
People shouldn't judge before the judge, because labels like "paedophile" can't be removed. Wrong or not.
-AC
If he really didn't want to be labeled a pedophile he shouldn't have gone on national TV acting like one.
If you think that a grown man sleeping with young kids is innocent affection that's your opinion. I think he was acting shady as hell and said some crazy stuff. He actually tried to defend himself by declaring that sharing his bed with those kids is ok. I'm no expert or anything, but I'd have to guess that wasn't such a good idea on Michael's behalf. If he is innocent then I feel bad for him but he's digging himself deeper in the hole with the shit that he says. I have a feeling he did it though... I could be wrong but something tells me he did it.
If he didn't, no big deal, I was wrong. It's not like I'm on the jury, if I was I'd put a lot more thought and research into it.
^ yes michael jackson did mess it up real bad in that documentary. how ever the case is wheather he molested the child or not
and the answer is NO, its become clearer day by day. first the accuser's sister lied, and now the ONLY WITNESS who saw the alleged molestation has also lied today. like i said, this case did not make sense from the start. Only people are too quick to judge and they dont look at the real facts. Even you people should re-think the stuff you said earlier
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1497907/20050308/jackson_michael.jhtml?headlines=true
You say you'd put more thought in if you were on the jury Afro. Common sense says that if you're gonna label the man a paedophile then you should have reason as yo why.
Sleeping in the same bed as a kid means nothing. NOTHING. Shady as hell how? He isn't exactly the most level minded person there is. When I see Michael Jackson I don't see a man out there scheming to molest kids.
I'm sorry, I just don't see it. You have no reason to believe so either, other than what the media have fed you. The most you've see, as we all have, is him hanging around with kids.
-AC
You're right, all I know about this case is what the media shows me, because that's the only information available to me. Based on that limited information, he looks very suspicious. He had his chance to clear his name on that documentary and he went ahead and said him sleeping with 13 year old boys is fine. Even if that's how he feels, you don't say that shit on National TV, that was just dumb.
I don't have a very strong opinion on this case so I haven't done much research. I could very well end up changing my mind, it's happen before. But right now I think he did it. It's not like I go around saying he's guilty and trying to convince people he did it, but if I were forced to bet 100 bucks on either guilty or innocent right now I'd go with guilty.
Originally posted by Afro Cheese
He had his chance to clear his name on that documentary and he went ahead and said him sleeping with 13 year old boys is fine. Even if that's how he feels, you don't say that shit on National TV, that was just dumb.
No it's not. He didn't say intercourse, he said sleeping with. The media blew it out of proportion. He never had a chance to clear his name and you know it. If he tried to, people would have found something else to try and get him on.
Originally posted by Afro Cheese
but if I were forced to bet 100 bucks on either guilty or innocent right now I'd go with guilty.
Why?
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriI didn't say intercourse either, I meant sleeping with as in sleeping in the same bed. And he did try to clear his name on that documentary, he wouldn't have agreed to it for any other reason. I'm sure they've done their own editing to highlight their point, but he still did a lousy job at clearing his name. And I don't think it was a stupid thing to say because the media "blew it out of proportion," I was shocked he actually said that as soon as he said it. What the hell is he thinking, that everyone is going to be like "Oh sure, we can sympathize, who DOESN'T sleep in the same bed with other people's kids."
No it's not. He didn't say intercourse, he said sleeping with. The media blew it out of proportion. He never had a chance to clear his name and you know it. If he tried to, people would have found something else to try and get him on.
-AC
Originally posted by Afro Cheese
I didn't say intercourse either, I meant sleeping with as in sleeping in the same bed. And he did try to clear his name on that documentary, he wouldn't have agreed to it for any other reason. I'm sure they've done their own editing to highlight their point, but he still did a lousy job at clearing his name. And I don't think it was a stupid thing to say because the media "blew it out of proportion," I was shocked he actually said that as soon as he said it. What the hell is he thinking, that everyone is going to be like "Oh sure, we can sympathize, who DOESN'T sleep in the same bed with other people's kids."
Oh come on man. You think Michael Jackson had a shot at clearing his name on a documentary set out to ridicule, probe and expose him? Never. He STILL would have had people after him and you know that.
Yes the media did blow it up. "I don't think sleeping with kids is wrong", "Oooooh child molester". Exactly.
The fact of the matter is, the parents need to shut the hell up. Like Loserib said, he'd never let his kids sleep with some other guy. What decent parent would? If they were decent parents this wouldn't have been brought about AT ALL. Once again parents blame the other just because they couldn't POSSIBLY be bad parents.
Fact is, we have nothing BUT footage of him hanging around with kids. Nothing more. So we have no right to assume anymore than that unless it's proven. If he slept in a bed with another person's kid and did nothing, then he is right. There IS nothing wrong. It might seem dodgy yeah, but there's nothing wrong with it. That's all he insinuated.
-AC
i'll say this...i wouldnt want to be on the jury for all the tea in china...they are the ones who have to sift through all the shit that comes from both the defence and prosecution
i also think that michael has brought alot of it on himself from the life he chooses to live...he seems to be out of touch with how vindictive some people in the world can be
although i do think the world would be a damn sight better if people lived michaels ideas...but that aint the world we live in
people hate...people lie...people take advantage of others...and it isnt restricted to adults either...
like children that make false allegations against teachers is becoming a more common occurance here in the UK...
as for the truth...pesonally i dont think he did it...
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriOh I agree that they would've put their twist on what he said either way, but what he said was stupid regardless of that fact.
Oh come on man. You think Michael Jackson had a shot at clearing his name on a documentary set out to ridicule, probe and expose him? Never. He STILL would have had people after him and you know that.Yes the media did blow it up. "I don't think sleeping with kids is wrong", "Oooooh child molester". Exactly.
The fact of the matter is, the parents need to shut the hell up. Like Loserib said, he'd never let his kids sleep with some other guy. What decent parent would? If they were decent parents this wouldn't have been brought about AT ALL. Once again parents blame the other just because they couldn't POSSIBLY be bad parents.
Fact is, we have nothing BUT footage of him hanging around with kids. Nothing more. So we have no right to assume anymore than that unless it's proven. If he slept in a bed with another person's kid and did nothing, then he is right. There IS nothing wrong. It might seem dodgy yeah, but there's nothing wrong with it. That's all he insinuated.
-AC
I agree that the parents are stupid for letting their kids sleep with any adult especially an accused child molester, but that really has nothing to do with him being innocent or guilty. But I do think the parents have no real room to complain.
At the same time, he's been accused before, and you would've thought he learned his lesson the first time. I mean, he knew he's an accused child molester, yet he'd going to continue to share his bed with kids? Honestly you're right though, there's no concrete evidence that he did it and they shouldn't find him guilty until there is. But honestly in the back of my mind I still think he did it, though I'm starting to doubt it myself it doesn't seem all that unlikely.